Urine test

[SUBMAN1]

This guy makes a lot of sense!

-S

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they
pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my
taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am
required to pass a random urine test with which I have no
problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of
my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare
check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please
understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on
their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with
helping someone sitting on their ass, doing drugs, while I
work. Can you imagine how much money the state would save if
people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance
check?

[Digital_Trucker]

Yep, this makes a lot of sense, which, unfortunately, is why it will never happen

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Yep, this makes a lot of sense, which, unfortunately, is why it will never happen

Eloquently and succinctly put.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm sure that someone somewhere would twist it into being a violation of privacy and or Constitutional rights.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm sure that someone somewhere would twist it into being a violation of privacy and or Constitutional rights.

You're right, but no one is also forcing them to live off a welfare check either, which means they are not forced to take the test either, so I doubt one could hold that charge up.

-S

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

You're right, but no one is also forcing them to live off a welfare check either, which means they are not forced to take the test either, so I doubt one could hold that charge up.

-S

They do not need to be forced to live off welfare. Living off welfare is their daily job. People make a living working over the system. Some do it very well. What sucks about it is that some people really need the assistance. Sometime the issue is created by them and sometimes not. Job loss, etc. These are the people who have to put up with a lot of crap and waiting for assistance because the freeloaders are busy clogging up the system. Welfare is a system that has been so bad for so long that people think what they are doing is status quo.

[Sailor Steve]

Ohyoupeoplearejustnastyandevilandfilledwithhateand don'twanttohelpanybodyyoujustwanttobringthemdown!

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Whycan'tyouunderstandthatthesepoorpeoplearevictims andstoptryingtohurtthemwhycan'tyoubenicer!?

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Hey, Frame57, is that whiny enough for you? :rotfl:

Seriously, as someone who went through a homeless spell and is still in a somewhat tentative position, I have to say I agree completely. In order to get unemployment you have to prove you're looking for work. Private enterprise demands that you meet certain qualifications to do certain kinds of work, but the government that makes these things illegal in the first place is careful not to insult the poor people they're giving it away to? I'm confused...but then that's usually the case.

[jumpy]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

doing drugs, while I
work

Yup, there's a good many of us who can get along just fine without any interference from the state like this. As a civilian I say 'balls!' to any government agency who deems it appropriate to test me to see what I do in my spare time, be it the amount of alcohol I consume or what I sometimes choose to smoke.

The state might well save money from some, but the number of homeless and destitute people would sky-rocket as would associated levels of crime and disorder.
Unless the state decides to murder anyone with a drug addiction, there's always going to be a problem with this. Alternatively, they could try and remove the black-market source of drugs like heroin etc and have the state supply it to those hopeless addicts, in order to stop them stealing and mugging to feed their addiction. But nothing so compassionate or sensible would pass the lips of a politician, even one appraised of all the facts. Too much like risking their reputation - of course they think ideas like ID cards and such like are great and wasting billions of taxpayers money of failed wars, failed economic handouts, failed billions of aid to countries with perpetual civil war and poverty and famine, failed stock-market bailouts of national financial institutions... the list of stuff that costs more than welfare spending goes on and on and on and on.