Conversation with an Egyptian socialist

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Yea, and they just want to keep on attacking me, and not have a discussion. Its pretty obvious.

Because of the way you post. Yes, it's obvious, but you don't seem to see it.

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Because of the way you post. Yes, it's obvious, but you don't seem to see it.

-.-

[Sailor Steve]

And is that little graphic supposed to mean something? What happened to "reasonable discussion"?

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And is that little graphic supposed to mean something? What happened to "reasonable discussion"?

-.- is anime logo for annoyed. Surprised you did not know that. Just like ^^ is happy.

Okay now for the 4th time -.- Here is the topics of discussion. Right wingers could discuss this too talking about people starting their own businesses ect. after the transition... If they want idc

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/2...tian-socialist

What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

[frau kaleun]

Yea, and they just want to keep on attacking me, and not have a discussion.

But, see, a "discussion" does not consist of you saying whatever you want and everyone else agreeing that you are right and they are stupid (or not "left" enough) for not realizing it sooner.

Dude, seriously, if you can't tolerate a dissenting opinion or facts that don't support your ideology on a lousy internet forum, what are you gonna do in your workers' paradise where everyone is free to express him/herself without fear of oppression from the capitalist elite? Do you really think that everybody is gonna magically agree with you then and start accepting the party line as rock-solid gospel? It doesn't work that way and never has.

[redsocialist]

Okay now for the 5th time -.-* Here is the topics of discussion. Right wingers could discuss this too talking about people starting their own businesses ect. after the transition... If they want idc

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/2...tian-socialist

What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

[joea]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Okay now for the 5th time -.-* Here is the topics of discussion. Right wingers could discuss this too talking about people starting their own businesses ect. after the transition... If they want idc

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/2...tian-socialist

What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

Ok I'll bite:
What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

Not with Islamic parties unless they want to end up like in Iran. Are there any trade unions in Egypt?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

No idea, this was pretty chaotic, pretty sure the most important institution was the army.

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

Not sure this is possible, fire (or if you prefer "purge" ) the most corrupt and guilty individuals. You have to play with the army though.

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

Unprintable on an all-ages forum.

I am pretty moderate on most issues, if that's important. I have recently (re)-read the Communist Manifesto and will start on the Wealth of Nations if that helps.

[Jimbuna]

I'm not sure how people perceive my political beliefs in this community but that is probably because I seldom get involved in the political threads.

I do believe passionately in one belief though, a belief taught me by one of my superiors a few yars ago now:

NONE OF US IS AS CLEVER AS ALL OF US

There is nothing wrong with having an opposing viewpoint or opinion in a debate....what is important is that all parties respect each other during the course of said debate/discussion.

That in the vast majority of cases is what happens in this community and makes it stand out above most if not all of the rest.

I'll go back to my popcorn now, thank you.

[August]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

Oh yea, not judging me on my beliefs one bit. Keep it up yankee cow boy amerikans

And what else do we have to judge you on? You refuse to say where you are from or anything else about you the person behind the ridiculous and often misspelled commie propaganda you keep spewing.

Having seen first hand the victims of your socialist workers "paradise" I have little tolerance for it.

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by joea

Ok I'll bite:
What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

Not with Islamic parties unless they want to end up like in Iran. Are there any trade unions in Egypt?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

No idea, this was pretty chaotic, pretty sure the most important institution was the army.

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

Not sure this is possible, fire (or if you prefer "purge" ) the most corrupt and guilty individuals. You have to play with the army though.

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

Unprintable on an all-ages forum.

I am pretty moderate on most issues, if that's important. I have recently (re)-read the Communist Manifesto and will start on the Wealth of Nations if that helps.

bump

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

Bias? Not particularly fond? Dude I have seen the true face of communism first hand and believe me it's not pretty. Nazis, communists, socialists, anarchists. There is no real difference between them. The regalia and propaganda may be different but when it gets right down to it they're nothing but a bunch of murdering thieves.

Pawns like redsocialist are almost as bad as the killers they worship. They grow up and live amongst us hypocritically enjoying the fruits of our decadent societies while parroting their party line. If it were up to me i'd banish every one of them to some workers "paradise" like Cuba or North Korea and let them live the crap they espouse.

I can well believe you mate, and I understand. You often find that a lot of socialists are young or are actually from more middle class backgrounds, and really have not experienced the life of the people they protest for.
However, and this is the kicker, and that's freedom, freedom of expression and political expression and speach. The same sort of freedoms that are rarely expressed in the DPRK or Cuba or China, but the same freedoms that let every Tom, Dick and Harry say what they like, and we just have to let them say it because if we start telling them what to say and what to think then what makes us so different from the communists, national socialists and anarchists?
We can both agree on the need for common decency and politeness though, from both sides, and tolerence, however hard it may be, is vital lest we slip down the slippery slope to prejudice and persecution and just ask anyone who has been from a pogrom how much fun that can be.

[MH]

I took just one commie to post all those pictures and all this aggressive ideological propaganda.
I glad this insanity is no more.

[redsocialist]

Originally Posted by MH

I took just one commie to post all those pictures and all this aggressive ideological propaganda.
I glad this insanity is no more.

It took just one determined cow-boy amerikan to start it all, as he likes to play the 3rd grader game of getting back. I'm glad it would be over too, however its not they'll just keep posting their anti-communist bull****, and never give 2 ****s about the topics of discussion which they proved 10 posts ago

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I can well believe you mate, and I understand. You often find that a lot of socialists are young or are actually from more middle class backgrounds, and really have not experienced the life of the people they protest for.
However, and this is the kicker, and that's freedom, freedom of expression and political expression and speach. The same sort of freedoms that are rarely expressed in the DPRK or Cuba or China, but the same freedoms that let every Tom, Dick and Harry say what they like, and we just have to let them say it because if we start telling them what to say and what to think then what makes us so different from the communists, national socialists and anarchists?
We can both agree on the need for common decency and politeness though, from both sides, and tolerence, however hard it may be, is vital lest we slip down the slippery slope to prejudice and persecution and just ask anyone who has been from a pogrom how much fun that can be.

Ah but not once have I told him what he can say, only that I disagree with it. Some people tend to confuse freedom of speech with freedom from being judged by what they say. There is a big difference between the two.

[Dowly]

You know, Oberon kinda opened the door for you to start fresh by questioning if you are trolling or trying have an discussion. You kinda blew that opportunity and I'm afraid it's too late now, no matter how much you try to get back on track.


BTW, you remind me of someone.

5 point clue: Huh?