Why Atheism Is Morally Bankrupt - A thought since we are celebrating Christs birth...

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Morts

where did god come from then ?
something had to make him cause nothing + nothing = nothing
he cant have been there from the dawn of times, cause something had to have created him, same with his creator, and his

Crap, I didn't leave fast enough. I never said that anyone knows where God came from. I only stated that science also does not know where the matter that is involved in it's hypothesis came from, and it never will because it's all an infinite process. Who can find the beginning of infinity?

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Morts

Subman, do you actually have any proof that jesus exists ?

There is plenty of good evidence that Jesus existed. That is rarely disputed.
It's when things get supernatural that the disagreement tends to start.

Originally Posted by Morts

where did god come from then ?
something had to make him cause nothing + nothing = nothing
he cant have been there from the dawn of times, cause something had to have created him, same with his creator, and his

That is a poor argument against god because it is a good argument against the existence of anything and everything.
It is clearly not the case that nothing exists.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by Frame57

That is a good one:rotfl: I wondered what an atheist funeral would be like..."Here lies Granpa, Uh, ummm, he is decomposing..."

"quite unlike the generations after him, I must add. We, children, do not decompose so easily due to all the preservants we have consumed during our lifetimes"

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Letum

There is plenty of good evidence that Jesus existed. That is rarely disputed.
It's when things get supernatural that the disagreement tends to start.

thats what i meant

[Dowly]

Care to share any links to the proog that Jesus did exist? :hmm: I'm kind of suprised about the "plenty of good evidence that Jesus existed" part as I've never heard anything solid.Ow yeh, and if any of this evidence is found in the Bible, it doesnt count. There's still parts missing from the different versions and stories of bible, so it just might be that one of the lost stories says at the end "Ow yeh, all this was just my imagination. Signed: Mullah, Drunken Sheppard. Gotcha!"

[longam]

If there is one thing I'm sure about is we will all know the truth eventually.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Aramike

However, atheism is of itself a specific belief. One can no more disprove the existance of a deity than prove one - thus is the very nature of the debate, as it were. Atheism, by its very nature is not tolerant of any other belief system. It quite simply postulates that it is the correct system, thereby clearly implying that all others are wrong. This argument holds similarly true for most religions.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities. It's the same as not believing in astrology. It's just that there is no word "nonastrologer" that can be unfairly stuck with all sorts of negative connotations.

Humanism, skepticism and antitheism can go along with atheism, but it is not necessary to hold those beliefs to be an atheist.

Quite franky, I find atheism to have more in common with religion than agnostisicm does.

Where are the atheists who claim to be the sole dispensers of The Truth, based in some way on The Book, and who retreat to the impregnable fortress of the Sanctity and Mystery of Faith when questioned?

However, the ATHEIST, in very much the same way as a deist, can have varying levels of tolerence for another system of belief. That being said, I personally find the actions of the more zealous atheists to be consistant with the actions of the more zealous deists. In other words, atheism seems to be becoming a religion unto itself.

The bottom line is this: if you're an atheist who holds the belief that there is nothing to believe regarding a deity, then you truly have nothing to proclaim. There is no god, that's the way it is, so why talk about nothing?

We can talk about religion.

But, when you begin peddling your atheism, you become exactly what you are supposedly opposing - a belief system. At least in the popular terms.

What you're talking about is antitheism, which one can accept or reject based on evidence. And by your logic, only adherents of a faith can criticize elements of that faith. Which is a bit difficult to accept after 9/11.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Causing a firestorm. Of course no one has been able to refute the points of the article, but I must admit, its entertaining to watch you scuffle!

-S

What points? :hmm:

[Fish]

Originally Posted by sunvalleyslim

I'm afraid some of you have not looked death in its eyes, known sheer terror....and what it means to meet your maker......when you're staring death down, what are you going to do...........cry for your mommy?

Thats church policy, making you afraid.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Care to share any links to the proog that Jesus did exist? :hmm: I'm kind of suprised about the "plenty of good evidence that Jesus existed" part as I've never heard anything solid.Ow yeh, and if any of this evidence is found in the Bible, it doesnt count. There's still parts missing from the different versions and stories of bible, so it just might be that one of the lost stories says at the end "Ow yeh, all this was just my imagination. Signed: Mullah, Drunken Sheppard. Gotcha!"

http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Non...ences_to_Jesus

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Care to share any links to the proog that Jesus did exist? :hmm: I'm kind of suprised about the "plenty of good evidence that Jesus existed" part as I've never heard anything solid.Ow yeh, and if any of this evidence is found in the Bible, it doesnt count. There's still parts missing from the different versions and stories of bible, so it just might be that one of the lost stories says at the end "Ow yeh, all this was just my imagination. Signed: Mullah, Drunken Sheppard. Gotcha!"

I laugh at the writing Tacitus, which reads:

Nero fastened the guilt of starting the blaze and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius 14-37 at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.

Many present this as "evidence" of Jesus because it mentions "Christ". "Christ" translates to "Christus" which is Latin for "savior/chosen one". Unfortunately, people who do use this as "proof" obviously aren't aware of the number of people roaming around the Holy Land in those days who claimed to be the chosen ones of god or the gods.

[SUBMAN1]

A good quote about you die hard science freaks:

"The trouble with the world is not that people know too little, but that they know so many things that ain't so." - Mark Twain

-S

[LobsterBoy]

It's Christmas Eve, so shouldn't you be in church?

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I laugh at the writing Tacitus, which reads:

Nero fastened the guilt of starting the blaze and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius 14-37 at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.

Many present this as "evidence" of Jesus because it mentions "Christ". "Christ" translates to "Christus" which is Latin for "savior/chosen one". Unfortunately, people who do use this as "proof" obviously aren't aware of the number of people roaming around the Holy Land in those days who claimed to be the chosen ones of god or the gods.

It's true that there where hundreds of Jewish rebels at the time. Jesus is about as
well documented as any other Jewish rebel. There isn't any particular reason to
doubt his existence, but nor is there any reason to get especially excited about it
out side of the context of the start of the Christianity cult.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by LobsterBoy

It's Christmas Eve, so shouldn't you be in church?

Perfect proof that you are labeling without knowing. Thanks for pointing that out.

-S