How's that taxation and socialism werkin' out fer ya?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

But does the fact that you made only $5000 make you someone who "works when you feel like it for beer money and sleep in the street?" I certainly hope that's not so. (and, knowing you as the subsim member you are, I don't think so)

I like to think not, since I can't drink beer anyway. I've been in warehousing my whole life, and can't do that kind of work anymore, but never progressed enough to move into management.

There are people who do "work when they feel like it for beer money", sure. But that's not a problem caused by the system. There'll always be thieves, whether they steal a TV, or steal government money by abusing the system.

Absolutely true. Personally I think the biggest problem with any welfare system is that most of the money goes to the people required to make it work. I don't mean top-level operators eating it all up in perks (though you get that sometimes, just like any other CEO), but all the mid-level people who are required just to keep the system running. A lot more goes to operational costs than to the poor it's designed to help; and that goes for private and church-run organizations as much as it does for government-run ones.

It's an argument I hear quite often, that because of those people social welfare expenses should be cut. But there are lots of people like you too, who want to work but for some reason or another can't find employment. Or people that do have a job, but very hard work for only minimum wages.

Well, people who oppose things always come up with arguments why those things should be opposed - some of them good, some of them lame.

I have lots of arguments why this or that is problematic. Unfortunately I don't have any real answers either.