Just another botched execution...

"According to the Arizona Attorney General’s office, Joseph R. Wood III, who was sentenced to death for killing his ex-girlfriend and her father in 1991, was pronounced dead at 3:49pm, nearly two hours after his execution commenced at 1:52p.m."
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Well done US of A!
Good to see how valuable human rights are in that country.
Now they started to experiment on people to see if a fantasy-death-cocktail is actually working,
so greetings to "Dr." Mengele when you see him, whoever is ultimately responsible for this mess.

While I sure have no sympathies for a murderer, I hold even less for a system that lets things like this happen, over and over and over again.

I wonder,
How advanced is a country really when it still wants to rely on barbaric and dark-age-like laws and punishments, unable to learn from past mistakes - like so many other countries?

Anyways, inbeforetheclassics:
- "He murderer, he no rights!"
- "Death penalty ensures he won't do it again!"
- "Ask the victims how they feel about this!"
- "Dur durkin urr durth pernaltey!"

Gah!

[AngusJS]

It's been proven that the death penalty in the US doesn't prevent crime. It costs more to execute someone than to imprison them for life in the current system. And despite all the safeguards, we still are putting innocent people on death row.

[vanjast]

It costs more to execute someone than to imprison them for life in the current system. And despite all the safeguards, we still are putting innocent people on death row.

..and putting criminals back on the streets to repeat the same crimes - the cost would then be .. how much ?

[banryu79]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

It costs more to execute someone than to imprison them for life in the current system.

What!? It is really so? Could you, please share your source for this information?

[Dread Knot]

My biggest issue with the death penalty is that there is a really thin line between justice and vengeance. We want justice, but having a justice system based on vengeance and retribution seems like a big backward step in the civilization stakes.

Capital punishment seems awful on so many counts, unsafe convictions, the sometimes decades long interval between the crime and carrying out the sentence, the finality of the sentence, the lack of deterrent effect that this supposed 'punishment' has, the use of violence on the violent, the focus on vengeance rather than forgiveness. Now you can add botched executions to the list. Is it any wonder that the list of states that have either abolished it, or put moratoriums on it keeps growing?

On a lighter note, I've always favored an Escape from New York approach. Perhaps some desolate spot in the Aleutians. But sooner or later some intrepid reporter or social justice warrior will drop in for a look-see, and a tragedy will result....

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

Now you can add botched executions to the list. Is it any wonder that the list of states that have either abolished it, or put moratoriums on it keeps growing?

Blame the Europeans, if they didn't ban the sale of the drugs for executions then the US wouldn't be using these experimental cocktails.

On a lighter note, I've always favored an Escape from New York approach. Perhaps some desolate spot in the Aleutians. But sooner or later some intrepid reporter or social justice warrior will drop in for a look-see, and a tragedy will result....

They tried that, today it is called Australia

[Schroeder]

What always boggles my mind is how the US is carrying out the sentences. What's wrong with a guillotine or a shot in the neck (make that two if the gunner screws up the first)? But no, it had to be fancy with gas (not a pleasant way to die when your lung is full of acid which makes you drown in your own blood), electricity (what idiot ever got that idea???) or injecting funny cocktails that take hours to "work".
You can think about capital punishment what you want but the way the US carries them out is just disgusting and barbaric. Hell, if a country like North Kore has more humane execution methods (shot in the neck/head) then something is really messed up.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Blame the Europeans, if they didn't ban the sale of the drugs for executions then the US wouldn't be using these experimental cocktails.

Some Southern states are thinking of dusting off the electric chair. I just don't see that flying well in any department. Not to mention what might result from an unexpected power surge. Executions seem to be plagued by bad karma lately.

They tried that, today it is called Australia

So if we set up a penal colony on Adak Island, maybe in 200 years we get the arctic version of Vegemite, Russell Crowe and Nicole Kidman?

[Jimbuna]

A hot topic for most people regardless of their beliefs whether they be for or against.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by banryu79

this information?

Amongst others:

http://www.economist.com/node/13279051

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...-execute_N.htm

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/n.../#.U2GuaMdOS9M

However:

http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads...tion_ac-dp.pdf


Prisons are big business.

[banryu79]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Amongst others:

http://www.economist.com/node/13279051

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...-execute_N.htm

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/n.../#.U2GuaMdOS9M

However:

http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads...tion_ac-dp.pdf


Prisons are big business.

Thanks.

I red the articles linked above. At first accuratley, then (when I recognized that the things said even if in different articles was word-by-word almost excatley the same -- a strong indicator of a single original source that is cited many times) I skimmed the last articles very rapidly.

When I was referring to "sources" I was thinking about something more authoritative than media articles, but if I really want to inform myself seriously about this matter I should take for myself the burden od the search.

Btw, I have to take my time to read the last link, the .pdf one.

Thanks again for sharing.

The only thing I want to comment about death penalty and this case is that I found *ABSURD* to kill the comdamend 15 years after the crime.
I mean, 15 years are a long, long time. How do we know we are killing the same person that did what he did? 15 years are a long time.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by banryu79

Thanks.



The only thing I want to comment about death penalty and this case is that I found *ABSURD* to kill the comdamend 15 years after the crime.
I mean, 15 years are a long, long time. How do we know we are killing the same person that did what he did? 15 years are a long time.

Actually in this case it was 25 years ago. The murders took place in 1989.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

It's been proven that the death penalty in the US doesn't prevent crime. It costs more to execute someone than to imprison them for life in the current system. And despite all the safeguards, we still are putting innocent people on death row.

We should make it pay for view to cover the cost and maybe get a message across..

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Armistead

We should make it pay for view to cover the cost and maybe get a message across..

Which message would that be?

[Stealhead]

That paying to watch is fun.