Obama chooses Rick Warren

[Frame57]

Originally Posted by Enigma

And you call mine a ridiculous argument? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I'm all for having this conversation with people who heads are not so firmly buried in their asses.

Mine is born of natural observation of life, yours is apparantly just going with the flow as it were....Take some science and biology courses and call me in five years when you become an educated human being. Honestly, lets be frank here, have you ever wondered why the male orgasm produces an ejaculation of life bearing seed??? Or are you too damn dense to realize the design behind it???

[August]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

It's not a point of view here, it's scientifical facts against looney theories.

Is scientifical even a real word? :hmm:

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by August

Is scientifical even a real word? :hmm:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Scientif ically speaking, no.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Well I have no idea, let's say it's scientifique

Touché

[kurtz]

Just back to topic...

I think this is a human rights issue: it seems to me that the 'gay community' want Rick Warren to be excluded from public life because he spoke against gay marriage. This violates a very basic human right.

[kurtz]

Originally Posted by August

Meaning those who agree with your point of view?

Please not those who have their heads buried in other peoples asses

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by kurtz

Just back to topic...

I think this is a human rights issue: it seems to me that the 'gay community' want Rick Warren to be excluded from public life because he spoke against gay marriage. This violates a very basic human right.

As side from the scientifantastical stuff and peoples asses with heads in them. Frame57 first line is valid. White, black, yellow, red........you are born with the color. Not a choice. You are therefore born into the stigmata that is socially labeled upon your race. Tell me why Obama got every racial joke thrown at him in the book? Now, scientifically it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that homosexuals do have hormon inbalances. No one can argue that medical tests are performed on male and female only to find each might exhibit more hormons of the opposite gender. This is were the sexuality confusion arises. Some do choose this lifestyle without exhibiting these hormonal characteristics. Do you really think the twit Lindsay Lohan was born into lesbianism as she still and states she dates men? She found a gal who is obviously a lesbian and showed/flaunted affection on a very confused drunken girl. Smurk all you like, Lohan was not born into lesbianism. She gets her sexual and social gratification from someone who is non-judgemental.

Now, the civil rights argument for marriage, ie. get benefits, medical benefits? Probably not, money benefits for 401K? Absolutely! You can write in anyone you want. File jointly on taxes? Have you not heard of the marriage penalty tax? Not being able to be a boy scout leader? Some cases have come up in the news. I'm betting there are gay scout leaders. Hell, if a school hires on gays as teachers, why not a scout leader? I think this argument is a stretch. Anyone can get discharged from the army by saying just about anything. Sorry, I do not a civil rights movement here.

Inserting head in ass

[Enigma]

Well, ignoring it doesn't make it go away, I'm afraid.

Mine is born of natural observation of life, yours is apparantly just going with the flow as it were....Take some science and biology courses and call me in five years when you become an educated human being. Honestly, lets be frank here, have you ever wondered why the male orgasm produces an ejaculation of life bearing seed??? Or are you too damn dense to realize the design behind it???

Ha. I could tell you about where exactly I took my biology classes, and trust me, you'd feel a bit silly for making such a comment. But, it's not becoming of me to list my credentials to you.

I'm an "uneducated human being" because I'm aware that there are gay people in the world. :rotfl:God, it's astounding....

[Enigma]

August, pal, make sure you know where the fire escapes are in the peanut gallery. You know, for safeteys sake.

As side from the scientifantastical stuff and peoples asses with heads in them. Frame57 first line is valid. White, black, yellow, red........you are born with the color. Not a choice. You are therefore born into the stigmata that is socially labeled upon your race. Tell me why Obama got every racial joke thrown at him in the book? Now, scientifically it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that homosexuals do have hormon inbalances. No one can argue that medical tests are performed on male and female only to find each might exhibit more hormons of the opposite gender. This is were the sexuality confusion arises. Some do choose this lifestyle without exhibiting these hormonal characteristics. Do you really think the twit Lindsay Lohan was born into lesbianism as she still and states she dates men? She found a gal who is obviously a lesbian and showed/flaunted affection on a very confused drunken girl. Smurk all you like, Lohan was not born into lesbianism. She gets her sexual and social gratification from someone who is non-judgemental.

Now, the civil rights argument for marriage, ie. get benefits, medical benefits? Probably not, money benefits for 401K? Absolutely! You can write in anyone you want. File jointly on taxes? Have you not heard of the marriage penalty tax? Not being able to be a boy scout leader? Some cases have come up in the news. I'm betting there are gay scout leaders. Hell, if a school hires on gays as teachers, why not a scout leader? I think this argument is a stretch. Anyone can get discharged from the army by saying just about anything. Sorry, I do not a civil rights movement here.

Inserting head in ass

Warhawk, when I said I'd discuss this with people who's head was not firmly planted in said asses, I wasn't referring to you. You are perfectly capable of having a good discussion, and in this environment, I appreciate that despite our differences of opinion.

As for Lohan, I agree with you, but thats a piss poor example of what we are talking about here. Step one would be accepting that there are homosexual human beings. Millions. Not like, a group of people in liberal cities. It's not a new, cool fad as in perhaps Miss Lohan's case. Soctates, Ceaser, da Vinci, have been historilcally noted as having sexual encounters with people of their own sex. Plato wrote about such things. You said it yourself, there is proven medical evidence that homosexuality exists. "hormon imbalances" I think you said.

Also, you cited that maybe you saw a news paper article that included a gay boy scout leader. Wonderful. My argument is simply this = Gay people in America do not share the same rights as straight people.

Here are some examples found in a quick goole search. Bold mine.

1. In November, California voters approved Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment outlawing same-sex marriage, thereby overturning the state Supreme Court decision that gave gay couples the right to wed just months ago.
2. Why are civil unions not enough for gay rights activists? The federal government accords 1,138 benefits and responsibilities based on marital status, not on civil union status. A few of those benefits are unpaid leave to care for an ill spouse, social security survivor benefits and spousal benefits, and the right not to testify against one’s spouse, among others.

It's a simple formula. These folks do not share the same rights as you and I, for these reasons, and for those I stated earlier. So, when a group of people in this country our denied rights the straight community have, they are, by definition, discrimnated against. Therefore, by definition, it is a civil rights issue. We know this, because the definition of civil rights is...

Civil and political rights are a class of rights ensuring things such as the protection of peoples' physical integrity; procedural fairness in law; protection from discrimination based on gender, religion, race, sexual orientation, etc; individual freedom of belief, speech, association, and the press; and political participation.

-per Wiki

[UnderseaLcpl]

EZ Gay marriage fix

1) Remove state authority from religious and/or civil unions.

2) Fixed

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Frame57

An absolutely ridiculous argument. I know the gays want people to believe they are "born" that way. There is no proof of this whatsoever. Being black or any other ethnicity or gender is not a choice. Sexual behavior is, therefore it is not a cilivil rights issue. The reason I do not believe they are born that way is because everything in the universe we know of is based on opposite attraction. Magnetism requires polar opposites, electricity requires bias flow which need a cathode and anode, all molecular structures require this in order remain intact. Life as we know it on planet earth requires this basic law in order to be and survive.

I'd say you have led a pretty sheltered life. Grab a drink and a bench at the mall sometime and do some people watching.

[Frame57]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

I'd say you have led a pretty sheltered life. Grab a drink and a bench at the mall sometime and do some people watching.

Gimme a break. because i make these obsevations of which i am qualified to having higher education in Anatomy, Physiology and Biology, you say sheltered? Nonsense, the scientific community not 30 years agreed with my theory on thea matter. You cannot escape facts. The debate over the hormone issue is not one taken at birth. Children do not produce certain hormones on a regular basis until adolenscence has arrived. There is no scientific proof "Gays" are born that way. Hormone imbalances are not present in every Gay person either. A woman who has higher testosterone is more likely just to be more active sexually with no particular inclination toward lesbianism. Doctors will sometimes prescribe testosterone to women who have lost their libido. I spend my time saving lives in Biomedical engineering, perhaps you should hang at the mall while I continue to observe the universe with an IQ perhaps 75 points above yours....

[Enigma]

I spend my time saving lives in Biomedical engineering, perhaps you should hang at the mall while I continue to observe the universe with an IQ perhaps 75 points above yours....

[August]

Originally Posted by Enigma

August, pal, make sure you know where the fire escapes are in the peanut gallery. You know, for safeteys sake.

What's the matter Enigma? Are you getting upset again because people don't value your opinions enough or are your arguments so weak that you have to resort to childish insults?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Enigma

August, pal, make sure you know where the fire escapes are in the peanut gallery. You know, for safeteys sake.

Warhawk, when I said I'd discuss this with people who's head was not firmly planted in said asses, I wasn't referring to you. You are perfectly capable of having a good discussion, and in this environment, I appreciate that despite our differences of opinion.

As for Lohan, I agree with you, but thats a piss poor example of what we are talking about here. Step one would be accepting that there are homosexual human beings. Millions. Not like, a group of people in liberal cities. It's not a new, cool fad as in perhaps Miss Lohan's case. Soctates, Ceaser, da Vinci, have been historilcally noted as having sexual encounters with people of their own sex. Plato wrote about such things. You said it yourself, there is proven medical evidence that homosexuality exists. "hormon imbalances" I think you said.

Also, you cited that maybe you saw a news paper article that included a gay boy scout leader. Wonderful. My argument is simply this = Gay people in America do not share the same rights as straight people.

Here are some examples found in a quick goole search. Bold mine.

It's a simple formula. These folks do not share the same rights as you and I, for these reasons, and for those I stated earlier. So, when a group of people in this country our denied rights the straight community have, they are, by definition, discrimnated against. Therefore, by definition, it is a civil rights issue. We know this, because the definition of civil rights is...

-per Wiki

I know you were not talking about me and the head in anus deal:rotfl: I was just making light of it. Your arguments are valid but perhaps I'm not explaining myself enough as to why I do not see this a civil rights issue. Refering back to my previous posts concerning what it took and years of being classified as nothing better than a farm animal for the blacks in America far outweight what the gay community is up against in this present day. Blacks in America were not provided the most basic civil rights. None! They fought, clawed and gave their lives to obtain the most basic of civil rights enjoyed in America. It was numerous rights fought for one step at a time. They were not fighting for a right to get married so to enjoy some benefits. Basically, all I see here is obtaining the right to marry so as to obtain some benefits, not civil rights. I find these rights that you refer to as not obtainable are nowhere remotely close to the rights the slaves fought over 200 years. I do not think the gay community is suffering a blight as black America has. If I were a black American I would be upset to compare getting married for benies with struggling to achieve the basic rights offer to American. Again, I'm not against gay marriage in any form. I'm of the mind that I do not see this as a civil rights issue. It is more of an ass grab for benefits. As far as being a scout leader, this is not on the table. It is marriage and marriage only from what I read. So, we will see how this pans out. Obama has stated his idea on gay marriage. Not by definition. Should they be afforded some of the things enjoyed by hetersexual married? Obama said yes. Furthermore, Biden, Palin and McCain all stated the same. California has spoken. Much of America is against it. So, perhaps the gay community will have to fight and claw their way into this as the black American has done in the 200 years on this soil.

As far as Lohan, she is not a poor example of choice. She is a perfect example and one of millions who make the choice. One day I might talk to you about my nephew and how he arrived at this type of lifestyle. Until then, what I know personally and what science tells me, homosexuality can be born into a person and it can also be a choice. Hence another reason why I do not see this as a civil rights issue.