That it! I hade it

Reece, you have spoken truly and well, therefore you can expect to get threatening PM's from the admins as well as screaming accusations that you are a nagging troll from forum apologists.

Dont worry, none of that makes what you say any less accurate.

[Subsim Monitor]

Originally Posted by Reece

Oh no ..... stock SHIII was nowhere near as buggy as this! and how this game passed the Alpha stage even is beyond me! I have shelved it and waiting for the last patch to, hopefully, fix the critical bugs, once this is done I can dust off the box & install it, the modders will then make the game to what is should have been.
@ moderators, you can't blame the frustrations of a lot of people, some people have shorter fuses than others, some $100 is nothing, but to the poor it's a big deal! so please have a little patience with those who "do their blocks", and this - .

I agree, SH3 was more polished and much more complete; but I do recall a lot of people screaming about what a "buggy mess" SH3 was.... some people will complain no matter what.

I'm not blaming the frustrations of people, but short fuses usually lead to an early departure.

Neal

[Reece]

Thanks Neal. what happened to your avator?

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by Subsim Admin

I agree, SH3 was more polished and much more complete; but I do recall a lot of people screaming about what a "buggy mess" SH3 was.... some people will complain no matter what.

I'm not blaming the frustrations of people, but short fuses usually lead to an early departure.

Neal

Found some of this in the " archives ", found good stuff too, similar in ways to what is going on now.

Just think it is to early to give up on it, way to early SH3 was strides ahead of Stock SH2, this is what SH4 is competing against, it is not strides ahead of SH3, but will be it's own game in time.

RDP

[-Pv-]

"...The thing that drives me up a wall is when people just pop in, complain about how buggy it is..."

Agreed. I see too much incoherant swearing up and down that the world has ended when they have modded the game up the tailpipe and have incompatable hardware specs and infected/corrupted OS, out of HD space, bad drivers, etc.

SH4 is a bigger game than SH3 and visually, hardware-wise so much more demanding. The ranting-complaining by people who are not interested in finding out how to fix their obscure problem, only to try and make other people feel as miserable as they do is getting hard to take. I never added as much as one mod to SH3 and played it for years that way. I've only made modest mods to SH4 as a few practical and tested solutions came out. I waited for 10 years for this game and the devs listened and gave us one and by golly, they are still putting out code based on listening to us. I'm going to play and love this game to death and no one can spoil it for me no matter how hard they try.

Thanks Neal for the vast services you provide here.
-Pv-

[swash]

UBI is the only company offering a sub sim in the pacific at the moment

Bugs or no bugs, just like the faulty torpedoes that were REAL in 1942, the captains then and the virtual captains now will find ways to forge ahead.

A little green guy summed it up the best:

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

[Subsim Monitor]

Originally Posted by Reece

Thanks Neal. what happened to your avator?

One of the moderators took it away from me for not posting enough

[sunvalleyslim]

Neal,
You said it best. Some people are gonna beat this up. There have been people with problems of their own. And some will be Ubisofts. The bottom line is things will work itself out. Either through mods by modders or patches by Ubisoft. Nothing in this world has ever been perfect. Because as humans we will never be perfect. Give things a chance. Nothing has ever been built in a day. Read my signature, and ask yourself who's the failure........................

[Snowman999]

if you try a late war ship, then you will see the radar working.
there is not ( to my knowledge) any display for the air search radar. but only the late war ground radar.

There is a display scope, with buttons and controls and a toolbar button to access it. It just doesn't show a display.

[Tobus]

Originally Posted by Grunt

I remember I saw a funny comic on Penny Arcade. Gabe paid for a game, and Tycho walks in and asks him hows it going with the new game he had waited so long for.

Gabe says something like "Yeah I installed the game". Tycho then asks "Ok, so why are you starting at a blank screen?" Gabe says "Game cant be started till the first patch is released."

I can only imagine how many people are out there, wanting to play SH4, but quietly waiting till the game gets patched into playability.

Not a good business model, so lets hope ubi learns it lesson from all this.

HearHear!

I'm getting more aggravated by the minute. I really really really want to like this game, and it looks great too! But (re)playability is low, manual is a sodding shame (mentions of snorkel depth and making solutions by W/O, none of which are in SH4 but were in SH3!).

This game is just not finished, I feel I paid for a beta-release so UBI doesn't have to pay for proper testers. And it could be soooooo good, because what DOES work in this beta is fantastic to say the least.

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by Tobus

HearHear!

I'm getting more aggravated by the minute. I really really really want to like this game, and it looks great too! But (re)playability is low, manual is a sodding shame (mentions of snorkel depth and making solutions by W/O, none of which are in SH4 but were in SH3!).

This game is just not finished, I feel I paid for a beta-release so UBI doesn't have to pay for proper testers. And it could be soooooo good, because what DOES work in this beta is fantastic to say the least.

If Ubi asked you to be a beta tester, wouldnt you accept, just to get the game a bit early, even though you wouldnt be paid?

If find lots of joy in the 1.2 version. The constant laaaaaaaag of the clipboard with the radio and orders, were driving me nuts earlier. The current version runs a lot faster!

[Tobus]

Originally Posted by McBeck

If Ubi asked you to be a beta tester, wouldnt you accept, just to get the game a bit early, even though you wouldnt be paid?

If find lots of joy in the 1.2 version. The constant laaaaaaaag of the clipboard with the radio and orders, were driving me nuts earlier. The current version runs a lot faster!

If UBI askes me to be a beta tester, I would play and test the game as such, albeit for a small fee for my time invested. Now I have paid for an unfinished product of which is claimed it is a finished product. I can fully understand a patch like 1.2 in which coding is optimized for better (faster) rendering. I do, however, not understand bringing out a game which in essence is unplayble unless the players jump through hoops in certain order and stance, just so they can get a feel of accomplishment.
To me that's not enjoying a game, to me that's aggravating and insulting to me as customer/gamer.

Now I have the feeling that SH4 was released just to set the books straight and earn some money with it already, delivering a finished product or not.
In this regard I have a love/hate relationship with UBI. They generally bring out the best games (I think), but they come out with so much technical and functional bugs...

[Grothesj2]

Funny...beta testers for online games dont get paid. If they opened it for beta to the pubic, no one should expect paid compensation.

[Tobus]

Originally Posted by Grothesj2

Funny...beta testers for online games dont get paid. If they opened it for beta to the pubic, no one should expect paid compensation.

I regard personal contact to be betatester and opening beta to the public a very large difference.

No matter how you look at it, releasing a game as complete to the customer that is not complete nor functioning as stated is plain bad. I also know that I can't win this discussion, since it is ME that makes the decision to buy the game ANYWAY, regardless of what bad stories I already read on the net.

As said, I have/had that with almost every UBI-game I own:
Far Cry, SH3, Splinter Cell DA and now SH4. All coming out flawed, but each having become great games after numerous patches (except SC: DA and SH4 till now) and modding by the loving community.

In fairness, it does cast an ugly light on these forums when loads of people moan about SHIV, but I can also fully understand why they are moaning.

I think everyone would agree that it was released too early and still has an unacceptable number of bugs a month later.

In UBI's defence, they have released two patches in that time and will most probably release one, maybe two, more to address some of the remaining issues.

I would ask then that posters refrain from venting their frustration with SHIV but please do post the problems and issues you are having with as much detail as possible such that others can try to reproduce the problem.

I would also ask the forum moderators to be a little more understanding, I accept most of you have heard all this "noise" before but a lot of new people are finding their way to these forums and they will naturally need time to adapt to this forum's maturity. Lets not scare them away too soon...because the bigger the subsim community becomes the greater the chance of sub sim games being developed for us.

And finally, I would ask UBI to refine their game production processes as no one should have to suffer a product with as many flaws as SHIV had when it was released. Its was actually quite scandalous.

Right, i'm off to pub, anyone for a pint ?