FOX gets Foxed.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by tedhealy

USA and GB were allies with one of the biggest mass murderers ever, Mr. Stalin. Plenty of picturs of FDR and Truman shaking hands and making nice with Stalin. What does this prove (leaving aside FDR's rosy view of Stalin)? Somehow the cold war was invalidated because there were pictures of earlier leaders with Stalin when they had a common enemy?

Bingo.

It was Churchill who coined the term "iron curtain" in 1946. During WWII, Churchill said of Stalin "A hard-boiled egg of a man - at once a callous, a crafty and an ill-formed man."

Originally Posted by Enigma

It proves that politicians are liars and that the double standards in world politics are astounding.

It proves nothing of a sort in cases where the alternative is likely worse, as above.

[Enigma]

You missed my guy.

[August]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Well of course its my opinion. Isn't that the point of this? But maybe you ought to at least give your opinion more than just a coating of self confidence. Maybe express it instead of just identifying its existance in abstract space.

Maybe, but then again i'd miss such interesting repartee about abstract space.

And the statistics aren't about whether people only watch one channel. They infer that people who get most of their information from Fox News are more likely to be misinformed than those who watch other channels.

No it doesn't. The percentages you mention are, for the most part, well below 50%. The questions are loaded too. Take the WMD one for example. There HAVE been chemical weapons found in Iraq, not the mother load I grant you, but the poll does not distinguish between that and the chemical warfare artillery rounds that have indeed been found. Nor does it mention the chemical agents recovered in Jordan from a failed terrorist attack either.

In short your poll is nothing more than bovine feces. Cherry picked statistics designed to push an agenda.

Money buys weapons. Political interference buys time and opportunity. And besides we all know that the US supported them.

No you said "given most of the weapons used in the Gulf Wars against the US by the US for war against Iran", not money or political interference or neato Skillcraft US government pens, and yeah we also know Saddam DID use chemical weapons, and had not accounted for the ones we knew he had. We also knew that he on many occasions threatened to use them and we know he at least possessed the means to restart chemwep programs.

Are you REALLY trying to re-write history? Cuase whenever someone insists that the US had nothing to do with the Contras or that Noriega wasn't an American lap dog it is rather sad and funny.

Not as sad and funny as the fact that none of that has anything to do with Saddam.

After the Iranian revolution of 79 the pro-American Shah was gone and that wasn't what the US liked. Iraq had a history of border issues with Iran and of course the US gave huge amounts of money to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. The AK-47s came from the deal with the Soviet Union in the 70s but that fell through around 79.

Yeah right. The man was in control of huge amounts of oil revenue, he hardly needed money from us to fund his war machine against Iran.

Forget the black and white world. Saddam flip flopped as much as the US.

And his flip flopping is what eventually did him in.

Yes, thats EXACTLY the same. Why don't we just say that Syria and its leaders are EXACTLY the same as Saddam and his regime. I mean they're all just a bunch of arabs in the desert. They're all the same thing right? I mean the prior and very paradoxical relationship between the US and Saddam before the war(s) are the same as Syria which the US isn't apparently even supposed to talk to. The irony of Rumsfeld shaking old Saddam's hand is lost on you I suppose.:hmm:

Learn some nuance.

I responded with that Pelosi picture to point out that a stupid handshake picture does not mean some kind of dark evil deal has been made. I'd say that if anyone needs to "learn some nuance" it is you wiseguy.

Otherwise you're being a smart ass.

Pot, kettle, black.

[Enigma]

bovine feces. Cherry picked statistics designed to push an agenda.

An accurate description of Fox News. Aaaaand we come full circle.

[August]

Originally Posted by Enigma

It proves that politicians are liars and that the double standards in world politics are astounding.

No, it proves that the polite thing to do is shake a persons hand when you meet them. Nothing more or less.

[NefariousKoel]

LOL.

I always see hysterical liberals incorrectly stating that most of Iraq's weapons came from the US.

I've seen the numbers. A handful of unarmed observation helicopters. The rest was mostly Russian and French sold with a smattering of smaller nation's home-built vehicles.

When I see the "US gave them all their weapons" I generally stop reading the poster's comments since they will repeat any line they hear as truth when it is quite fictitious.

[August]

Originally Posted by NefariousKoel

LOL.

I always see hysterical liberals incorrectly stating that most of Iraq's weapons came from the US.

I've seen the numbers. A handful of unarmed observation helicopters. The rest was mostly Russian and French sold with a smattering of smaller nation's home-built vehicles.

When I see the "US gave them all their weapons" I generally stop reading the poster's comments since they will repeat any line they hear as truth when it is quite fictitious.

This post wins the thread (imo).

[Enigma]

When I see the "US gave them all their weapons" I generally stop reading the poster's comments since they will repeat any line they hear as truth when it is quite fictitious.

Yeah. I have the same reaction to all those right wingers who like to link Iraq to 9/11.

No, it proves that the polite thing to do is shake a persons hand when you meet them. Nothing more or less

You guys really have to start paying attention to emoticon usage.

[Enigma]

This post wins the thread

Oh, its a battle of wits? a competition of sorts?I had no idea. Hmm.

Oh, and how that "wins" a thread about Fox being bias, well, I gues I dont know.

[August]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Oh, its a battle of wits? a competition of sorts?I had no idea. Hmm.

Pay more attention then. I suggest you go back and reread the entire thread.

[Enigma]

Ok. I'll start reading from where I started the frikkin thread shall I.

I thought this post was about candidates for the highest office in the US refusing to debate on a particular network. Do we really want people who are in contention for that office as president if they refuse to debate on that network because of its perceived slant. Sounds as if the idea of freedom of the press is lost on these candidates. If they can be so arrogant towards the nature of the press what else will they forsake in the name of opinion.

I haven't even brought up the great large finger the candidates are giving the Congressional Black Caucus (the other sponser). If this isn't a big *******k Y*u to the leaders of the black community I don't know what is.

[Barkhorn1x]

[quote=P_Funk]

And you'd be right on that point if it were the 80s and Saddam were attacking that dangerous Iranian regime. You forget too easily that Saddam was given most of the weapons used in the Gulf Wars against the US by the US for war against Iran.

Get your facts straight before you make these grand pronouncements:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_sa...Iraq_1973-1990

Who armed Iraq - in order:
- the SU/WP
- France
- China

Don't forget the handshake.

OK, how about?



Context is important - that is something you seem to miss.

[August]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Ok. I'll start reading from where I started the frikkin thread shall I.

That would probably be a good idea.

[Enigma]

I thought this post was about candidates for the highest office in the US refusing to debate on a particular network. Do we really want people who are in contention for that office as president if they refuse to debate on that network because of its perceived slant. Sounds as if the idea of freedom of the press is lost on these candidates. If they can be so arrogant towards the nature of the press what else will they forsake in the name of opinion.

So I can assume you are also reffering to Giuliani, McCain, Brownback, and Huckabee, who were invited, but did not attend the townhall sponsored by Lefty Moveon.org yesterday? Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd and Dennis Kucinich all showed....:hmm:

I haven't even brought up the great large finger the candidates are giving the Congressional Black Caucus (the other sponser). If this isn't a big *******k Y*u to the leaders of the black community I don't know what is.

Nonsense. They all feel that a leading black institution was turning its back on its constituents by partnering with Fox News. Obama said so himself.