Minecraft [see post #1 for MP server info]

[Spike88]

Originally Posted by Task Force

I dont mine EE as I said anything to make this game get old slower, and is something new to try I am open for the idea.

This forum needs polls, so people can actually show what they think in a orderly fashion.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?x0q21qu3530huf7

[Spike88]

Originally Posted by Arclight

That argument works both ways; saying you prefer automatic and everyone should use it.

As far as I can tell you're the only one in favor of EE, so you might want to reconsider who is trying to impose his will on who.

Actually it doesn't work both ways. When you buy your car you have the option. My only option is to either not play on the server, or not use EE. If EE was installed, you would have the option on whether or not you wanted to use it. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to use it, or that it will effect you at all. My option is more of a Manual/Auto hybrid, you don't have to use what you don't want to use, but it doesn't mean it's not there if you want to use it later, or someone else wants to use it.

On top of that, half the people either don't know anything about it, have heard that it's overpowered from other sources. The only two really opposed to it is you and Dowly.

[Oberon]

I'm really not bothered about EE if I'm honest, the mods I want the most at the moment are the IC/BC crossover mod and the Reactor control mod. Those two are the ones I think would add most to the game in its current form.

Perhaps in the next map we can look at EE and/or Forestry.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Spike88

On top of that, half the people either don't know anything about it, have heard that it's overpowered from other sources. The only two really opposed to it is you and Dowly.

So, what you are saying is that we shouldn't believe what anyone else other than you
say about it?

I got two quite amazing ideas to resolve this.

1. Spike can stop doing epic builds he cannot finish

2. Whoever wants it, Arc sets them to creative mode

No need to install (and maintain) a mod that is just a fancier version of creative mode.

[Arclight]

Originally Posted by Spike88

Actually it doesn't work both ways. When you buy your car you have the option. My only option is to either not play on the server, or not use EE. If EE was installed, you would have the option on whether or not you wanted to use it. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to use it, or that it will effect you at all. My option is more of a Manual/Auto hybrid, you don't have to use what you don't want to use, but it doesn't mean it's not there if you want to use it later, or someone else wants to use it.

On top of that, half the people either don't know anything about it, have heard that it's overpowered from other sources. The only two really opposed to it is you and Dowly.

We're all driving the same car.

Stating "you don't have to use it as long as I can" is just a seriously flawed argument. Besides that, it's completely unfair. I spend a day baby-sitting a tunnelbore to make a railtunnel, while with EE I could have waved a wand for 15 minutes with the same results. I don't mind working within limitations, but given the option I'd probably have taken the easier way, even if it takes longer to reach that point.


I've spend hours watching and reading about EE. Think I'm informed enough, thanks.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Arclight

We're all driving the same car.

[Dowly]

HunterICX was killed

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Dowly

HunterICX was killed

[Spike88]

Originally Posted by Dowly

So, what you are saying is that we shouldn't believe what anyone else other than you
say about it?

I got two quite amazing ideas to resolve this.

1. Spike can stop doing epic builds he cannot finish

2. Whoever wants it, Arc sets them to creative mode

No need to install (and maintain) a mod that is just a fancier version of creative mode.

No, I'm saying they should read up on it themselves. All they've heard is you and the yogcast say it's over powered. If they've actually experienced it or at least read the wiki, they can give their opinion. All I hear is "I've heard it's overpowered", not "I've read up on it and I think it's overpowered". As it stands now Task, and Oberon don't really care one way or the other, and Zirran and Geno have only heard, that it's over powered, but haven't formed their own opinion on it. Keab had only heard that it was over powered but says he's going to look into it.

As for the second bit, it's not like we're going to get creative for those who want it.

As for the mod being a fancier version of creative, Survival is a fancier version of creative. While EE does let you easily get stuff, it still requires more work than just spawning something into the game. You bitch that you're getting bored, but then shoot down my idea of EE, yet you are more likely to disappear from the server before I do.

Stating "you don't have to use it as long as I can" is just a seriously flawed argument. Besides that, it's completely unfair. I spend a day baby-sitting a tunnelbore to make a railtunnel, while with EE I could have waved a wand for 15 minutes with the same results. I don't mind working within limitations, but given the option I'd probably have taken the easier way, even if it takes longer to reach that point.

What does it matter if it's fair? Would my construction made with EE win some award that you didn't get because you didn't use EE? Are we going to fight with our gear, and you lose because I have EE gear? Is me having fun going to ruin your fun, because my fun is easier? The only thing in your defense is the installing, and making sure it works the first time. Which can be a hassle, but other than that installing EE doesn't negatively effect, you or anyone for that matter in game. It's not like installing game changing elements, it's all optional. That's not to say we should just throw it in because one person wants it, but acting like no one want's it when it's only you and Dowly that are directly opposed to it is a whole different story. Both of which, might I add have more time to put into the game than anyone else(save for Zirran), and always end up with the best/most stuff. You say it's not fair, yet you guys have more time. If this was a competition, that would not be "fair".

As for waving the wand bit, you would've had to put in the same amount of effort if not more to get it. The wand isn't a spend 10 minutes in the game to get. The energy and resources take a while to get, especially with 1/4 rates. On top of that you'd still need to put in the effort to get and place the rails. The only thing EE would've made easier is getting the rails, and steel for the bore, but you'd still have to sacrifice something to get to that point.

My analogy about the car still holds true, you don't want to use automatic (cruise control GPS, etc) so you think no one should have the option. You're acting like every driver who uses these has an unfair advantage, yet it's not a competition. It's just driving down the road. The analogy could hold true to a hundred other things, you don't want to use it, so you don't think it should be there, never mind the fact that some people can use it if they want.


Anyways I've stressed my point, and I realized quite early in that it wasn't happening. I'm just voicing my opinion.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Spike88

I'm just voicing my opinion.

As am I.

[Arclight]

Originally Posted by Spike88

What does it matter if it's fair? Would my construction made with EE win some award that you didn't get because you didn't use EE? Are we going to fight with our gear, and you lose because I have EE gear? Is me having fun going to ruin your fun, because my fun is easier? The only thing in your defense is the installing, and making sure it works the first time. Which can be a hassle, but other than that installing EE doesn't negatively effect, you or anyone for that matter in game. It's not like installing game changing elements, it's all optional. That's not to say we should just throw it in because one person wants it, but acting like no one want's it when it's only you and Dowly that are directly opposed to it is a whole different story. Both of which, might I add have more time to put into the game than anyone else(save for Zirran), and always end up with the best/most stuff. You say it's not fair, yet you guys have more time. If this was a competition, that would not be "fair".

As for waving the wand bit, you would've had to put in the same amount of effort if not more to get it. The wand isn't a spend 10 minutes in the game to get. The energy and resources take a while to get, especially with 1/4 rates. On top of that you'd still need to put in the effort to get and place the rails. The only thing EE would've made easier is getting the rails, and steel for the bore, but you'd still have to sacrifice something to get to that point.

My analogy about the car still holds true, you don't want to use automatic (cruise control GPS, etc) so you think no one should have the option. You're acting like every driver who uses these has an unfair advantage, yet it's not a competition. It's just driving down the road. The analogy could hold true to a hundred other things, you don't want to use it, so you don't think it should be there, never mind the fact that some people can use it if they want.

It matters to me if it's fair. Someone not using EE out of priciple or lack of interest might very well be irked by the seemingly effortless accomplishments of someone who was. I know I bloody well would be.

I realise and acknowledged that EE takes a long time to work through, but once you do it is quite unbalanced. It's a survival server, and since we're all playing by the same rules, EE simply has no place on it. I have enough trouble as it is with the matter-generator.

As for having more time, need I remind you of the many resources that have been shared? It's not like anyone is hoarding. The more we do collectively, the more any individual can accomplish. I would just prefer it if those accomplishments actually stood for something.

And again, I'm not on about a competition. I want a setup everyone agrees upon. One in favor with others either oposed or simply not caring doesn't fit that. You indeed say "we should just throw it in because one person wants it". Your car analogy kinda works, but you have to acknowledge that we're all "driving" the same thing. It's not even opinion; either the client matches the server configuration or it won't work.


tl;dr

Originally Posted by Spike88

Is me having fun going to ruin your fun, because my fun is easier?

Yes. I'm petty that way.

[Arclight]

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21679783/world.png


How about adding those submods tomorrow and give them a run over the weekend? If it works out they stay in, otherwise they are out with the scheduled update on Monday.

[Spike88]

Originally Posted by Arclight

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21679783/world.png


How about adding those submods tomorrow and give them a run over the weekend? If it works out they stay in, otherwise they are out with the scheduled update on Monday.

Which Sub mods? The reactor control and BC/IC conversion? Or can we try adding Forestry too(assuming new chunks will work)?

I'd also like to ask about Mo' Creatures. Some of the features(Pet turtle, fish tanks) would be nice. Plus having more life in the server is always a plus.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Dowly

HunterICX was killed

Cheeky bastard

HunterICX

[Nagy]

Mo' Creatures could be interesting, but I suspect it might be more annoying than useful in the long term.

I've not heard of Forestry before.

I've started to look at some of the recipes for EE and so far it's looking overpowered to me. The recipe for creating diamonds from gold means that in theory I could have half a stack of diamonds just from the gold lurking in my chest (remembering that the macerator doubles your gold production). I'll keep looking, but their wiki seems quite hard to decipher at times.