Has your crew ever gotten flooding under control?

[MCM]

If I'm sinking by the bow, emergency reverse has brought me to the surface. The opposite applies when sinking astern.

How do you know without external view on which side the uboot is sinking?

[sshellokitty]

Originally Posted by maillemaker

I don't think in sh3 I ever got hit by such a miracle depth charge especially this early in the war.

You got me there, I haven't played SH3. However from my understanding The Wolves of Steel mod pack is designed to make the game as realistic and brutal as possible to give the most accurate simulation.

[sshellokitty]

Originally Posted by MCM

How do you know without external view on which side the uboot is sinking?

This hasn't happened to me but when you are inside of the U-boat you can visually tell when the bow of the boat is pointing down or up (same with the stern). Try standing in your control room and look directly at the port or starboard side and perform a crash dive. You will notice.

[mobucks]

That's how I do it. Also there are bubble gauges near the planesmen you can see your exact angle.

I made that last reply and booted up the game. I was greeted with the perfect loading screen blurb as my save loaded:

"A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it." Albert Einstein.

[kevinsue]

Originally Posted by mobucks

That's how I do it. Also there are bubble gauges near the planesmen you can see your exact angle.

I made that last reply and booted up the game. I was greeted with the perfect loading screen blurb as my save loaded:

"A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it." Albert Einstein.

....and some just ask......what problem?....is there a problem????

[mobucks]

Not at all! I fall down, I get up, no problem!

Edit: Just to add, saving and reloading mid-action is not recommended in this game. Weird things can happen. Also loading auto-saves is not recommended ever.

I also think the purpose of the damage mod needs to be clarified a bit here. Since SH3 people wanted to get rid of that unrealistic "health bar" mechanic of having a Hull % that goes to a game over screen when it hits 0%. The changes made by the mod allow you to feel like you at least have a fighting chance, whether you actually do or you don't, that isn't interrupted by a game over screen. So you can be destroyed sitting on the bottom in 40m of sea and not get a game over screen.

[maillemaker]

How do you know without external view on which side the uboot is sinking?

You can tell when you are inside the boat as it develops a list.

Edit: Just to add, saving and reloading mid-action is not recommended in this game. Weird things can happen. Also loading auto-saves is not recommended ever.

I've heard that, and it was a definite problem in SH3. I have not had any problems in SH5 so far.

I also think the purpose of the damage mod needs to be clarified a bit here. Since SH3 people wanted to get rid of that unrealistic "health bar" mechanic of having a Hull % that goes to a game over screen when it hits 0%. The changes made by the mod allow you to feel like you at least have a fighting chance, whether you actually do or you don't, that isn't interrupted by a game over screen. So you can be destroyed sitting on the bottom in 40m of sea and not get a game over screen.

I've gotten the game over cinematic every time I died in SH5.

My problem here is that I'm having trouble deciphering the damage control screen to get an accurate understanding of the state of my sub. I think I have now figured out that the thing I need to focus damage control efforts on is the Pressure Hull.

The other problem I'm having is that I have not survived a depth charging yet. Now granted my first run-in here was in 90 feet of water with about 7 destroyers and 2 PT boats over my head. But even so it seems like a single depth charge does me in. Maybe I wasn't repairing the Pressure Hull though.

So far it feels like if you take a minor strafing from an aircraft you can probably repair your uboat over the next half-day or so. But if you are on the receiving end of any kind of real combat you're going down.

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by maillemaker

My problem here is that I'm having trouble deciphering the damage control screen to get an accurate understanding of the state of my sub. I think I have now figured out that the thing I need to focus damage control efforts on is the Pressure Hull.

I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat that there is no advanced damage management (aka repair priority) in SH5 like that seen in SH3 and SH4. Why? You should ask developers...

Originally Posted by maillemaker

But even so it seems like a single depth charge does me in. Maybe I wasn't repairing the Pressure Hull though.

How many DC you wish to sustain? 2,3 or even more maybe?
Of course that one good placed DC will knock your boat out of the action, anything closer than 15m and you're done. 15m is actually a bit higher then historical DC deadly ranges because even elite destroyers with IRAI most of the time will have problems with underwater target acquisition.

Flooding amount is directly connected with pressure hull damage values of individual compartments.

[maillemaker]

I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat that there is no advanced damage management (aka repair priority) in SH5 like that seen in SH3 and SH4. Why? You should ask developers...

So when I click on a damaged item and the little hammer starts beating on it I have not actually changed what is being worked on?

How many DC you wish to sustain? 2,3 or even more maybe?

I'm just surprised that the boat feels so much more fragile than in SH3. In SH3 you could take repeated beatings and still repair your sub. Now for a long time in SH3 I played with no map contacts and no external view so I can't say for certain how close depth charges were to me (though sometimes I did peak with the periscope). But I know you could get damaged, and generally if you focused your attention on a compartment you could get the flooding under control.

Maybe SH5 is more realistic, I don't know. It's just shocking how much more fragile SH5 feels and how futile repairs feel.

What was the point of adding all the different equipment options on the damage control screens if you can't do anything about it? Might as well just have a big text come up that says, "$hit's broken, yo."

Flooding amount is directly connected with pressure hull damage values of individual compartments.

So is it beneficial to make the little hammer beat on the pressure hull box or not? From now on I'm going to make sure that the pressure hull is the only thing being worked on. I don't need equipment working I need a boat that doesn't leak and sink to the bottom!

Steve

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by maillemaker

So is it beneficial to make the little hammer beat on the pressure hull box or not?

Unfortunately , it seems it is not...

[kevinsue]

Originally Posted by maillemaker

So is it beneficial to make the little hammer beat on the pressure hull box or not?
Steve

I think the little hammer taps morse code........"I am U-571...DESTROY ME"

[sshellokitty]

Originally Posted by kevinsue

I think the little hammer taps morse code........"I am U-571...DESTROY ME"

lol maybe it is. 10/10, 100/100 most realistic submarine movie in the galaxy.

[kevinsue]

Originally Posted by sshellokitty

lol maybe it is. 10/10, 100/100 most realistic submarine movie in the galaxy.

Gee...it's strange how urban myths take on their own reality over time. Up until I stumbled onto this historical masterpiece on Youtube, I honestly believed that the first capture of a naval Enigma machine and associated cipher keys from a U-boat was allegedly made on 9 May 1941 by HMS Bulldog of Britain's Royal Navy, commanded by Captain Joe Baker-Cresswell. The U-boat was U-110. In 1942, the British supposedly seized U-559 as well, capturing additional Enigma codebooks or so they would have you believe.

Good thing I came across this movie and got straightened out on the true facts!

[maillemaker]

OK, last night I hit a French convoy in the Western Approaches. Took down 3 freighters and would have hit the escort behind me with the stern tube but forgot to set the depth shallow enough for the destroyer - damn thing went right under him, too!

Anyway I got nicked by a depth charge and it made the engine room pressure hull stations drop to about 86%. There are actually two compartments covered by that one sub section; I forget what they are called.

Anyway I made sure no one was at battle stations and we were not at silent running and I set the beating hammer to one of the pressure hulls.

As I watched, both of them were repaired. Also flooding started at 2% but slowly went away. My crew's morale was completely depleted so there was no help from any of the Chief's "special skills".

So it looks to me like all damage is repaired simultaneously regardless of what station has the beating hammer.

It also appears that there are some stations that cannot be repaired even if they are not destroyed. Like the stabilization tanks. I'm guessing stuff on the outside of the boat can't be repaired?

Anyway they pounded at me a while but I never got hit again and made my escape.

Steve

[sshellokitty]

Originally Posted by maillemaker

It also appears that there are some stations that cannot be repaired even if they are not destroyed. Like the stabilization tanks. I'm guessing stuff on the outside of the boat can't be repaired?

Steve

Yeah stuff that is on the outside of the boat can only be repaired while you are surfaced.