Florida man kills door-to-door salesman: I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property" - Page 2

u crank · 07-28-12, 10:23 AM

Even the slightest hint of tougher gun control starts this.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...-colorado.html

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Originally Posted by mapuc

There are other countries like Canada, where the number of arms per inhabitants is higher than in the U.S., but where the number of the killings and other incidents is much lower, even when you look to the number of inhabitants.
Markus

We have our moments as well I'm afraid. Four killed, twenty three wounded in separate instances in one week in Toronto. Mostly gang related.

I don't see gun control as the answer. Giving a person a permit to carry a gun does not control how he uses it. Refusal of permit simply means getting an illegal gun. There seems to be no solution.

Blood_splat · 07-28-12, 12:03 PM

mapuc · 07-28-12, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Even the slightest hint of tougher gun control starts this.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...-colorado.html

We have our moments as well I'm afraid. Four killed, twenty three wounded in separate instances in one week in Toronto. Mostly gang related.

I don't see gun control as the answer. Giving a person a permit to carry a gun does not control how he uses it. Refusal of permit simply means getting an illegal gun. There seems to be no solution.

Same here in Denmark. A couple a days ago a mand shoot his wife and their little girl and thereafter he killed himself. So yes we do also have our gunproblems mostly though it's gang related.

I maintain, however, my wish that a Public Prosecutors would take action against this man. He has exceeded its right to defend his life and his "castle"

Markus

Armistead · 07-28-12, 12:14 PM

You could never ban guns, just insure that only criminals would have them.
States with gun bans have the highest gun murder ratewith guns. Even if you did a house to house search to get rid of guns, most legal people would hide them and criminals would still get them at ease.

Buddahaid · 07-28-12, 12:22 PM

The guy is crazy and in no way standing his ground. Even if he could have made that argument the second shot makes it murder.

Sensible gun control laws only work for sensible people. I just read today that a homeless man living in a car and of questionable metal condition, had police confiscate a shotgun from his car two weeks ago. He was just relieved of another shotgun in his car! I seriously doubt that gun was obtained through legal channels but let's pile on more ineffective wishful thinking laws that will have no effect on curbing gun violence.

People argue that there is no need for anyone to own a military style firearm. True enough but there is also no need to own a high powered car because commuters just need to get from point A to point B. How many people die from irresponsible drivers of fast cars each year? One could drive a car onto crowded sidewalks and make mayhem so shouldn't there be background checks and ten day waiting periods for car ownership?

No amount of laws will rid this country of firearms unless we become a totalitarian state which would be far worse than the sad misuses of our rights we live with now.

I will now step off my soap box.

u crank · 07-28-12, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

I maintain, however, my wish that a Public Prosecutors would take action against this man. He has exceeded its right to defend his life and his "castle"
Markus

Let's hope that it happens.

Ducimus · 07-28-12, 01:55 PM

From the first word of the thread title, you just know it's going to be something monumentally stupid. "Floriduh's" stupidity strikes again.

Another blatant abuse of what i call "that stupid stand your ground law". It's not guns in this case, its that idiotic law. It was designed with good intentions, but its exploitable beyond all belief. That's why this foriduh idiot was immediately saying, "i was in fear". BS, your just trying to invoke that stupid retarded law.

CaptainHaplo · 07-28-12, 02:01 PM

Comparing legal gun ownership and gun crime in the US is comparing apples to oranges and is a tactic often used by gun control proponents. The majority of gun crimes are committed with illegally acquired firearms.

If you look at the number of gun crimes committed by people who legally own the firearms used compared to the total number of gun crimes, guess what. It is NOT the legal gun owner that presents much danger.

Does the occasional knucklehead exist? Sure. But if gun ownership and carry was ENCOURAGED, the occasional crazy would have a self-preservation interest to keep from going of "half cocked". The tragedy in Colorado is a perfect example - 12 dead and 58 injured. Had even 2 or 3 people been armed in theatre 9, it would still be a tragedy - but you might have had 3 victims dead and one perpetrator pushing up daises. It would still have been a tragedy, but not nearly so bad of one.

If you don't think self preservation is a strong motivator for even crazies, remember that the accused shooter in Colorado invested in and wore a protective vest......

mookiemookie · 07-28-12, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

The tragedy in Colorado is a perfect example - 12 dead and 58 injured. Had even 2 or 3 people been armed in theatre 9, it would still be a tragedy - but you might have had 3 victims dead and one perpetrator pushing up daises. It would still have been a tragedy, but not nearly so bad of one.

If everyone in that dark, panicked and smoke/gas filled theatre had a gun and started shooting, I think it would have turned out much worse than it did.

NeonSamurai · 07-28-12, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If everyone in that dark, panicked and smoke/gas filled theatre had a gun and started shooting, I think it would have turned out much worse than it did.

No kidding, a bunch of panicked people with guns in a low visibility situation not knowing who is the bad guy is? I see that going real well.

Also last I checked the vast majority of guns on the street came from legal sources, like purchased from gun fairs in states where the laws are not so strict, then resold in other states. These guns are not being smuggled in across the border...

CaptainMattJ. · 07-28-12, 03:54 PM

Wella ban on guns wouldnt help, even though wed like to think it does, putting a ban on the sale of 100 round magazines might be something to consider. No one, NO ONE needs 100 rounds in any kind of civilian setting. For Anything. On the gun range, out hunting,for personal defense, nothing requires 100 rounds. Yet its perfectly legal. in fact, its legal to buy just about any weapon you please. grenade launchers, miniguns, flamethrowers,grenades. You can even get 40mm bofors if you have some serious paperwork, as a CIVILIAN. Who in gods name needs a 40mm Bofor for personal civilian use. that gun could potentially be hauled to a location to strafe something like a school yet its still legally possible to obtain one. A pistol, shotgun, or rifle is on thing. an anti aircraft weapon that can fling 40mm high velocity rounds at serious range, is another.

August · 07-28-12, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Let's hope that it happens.

Doesn't anyone read these articles? It said he has already been arrested and charged with murder.

mapuc · 07-28-12, 04:09 PM

A ban or a strict regulation is not the way-many of you are saying

But do you have an another solution to the problems?

Markus

August · 07-28-12, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

A ban or a strict regulation is not the way-many of you are saying

But do you have an another solution to the problems?

Markus

What problem? Crazy people or door to door salesmen who ignore no trespassing signs?

Gargamel · 07-28-12, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If everyone in that dark, panicked and smoke/gas filled theatre had a gun and started shooting, I think it would have turned out much worse than it did.

That's why he said 2-3 people. Thats a good percentage to help prevent that type of event.

These crazies usually have some sort of exit strategy, which usually involves getting out of there before the cops get there.

But if they know that about 5%-10% are carryIng, and will return fire, then they may not even plan these things.

07-28-12, 12:22 PM	#20
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,336 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	The guy is crazy and in no way standing his ground. Even if he could have made that argument the second shot makes it murder. Sensible gun control laws only work for sensible people. I just read today that a homeless man living in a car and of questionable metal condition, had police confiscate a shotgun from his car two weeks ago. He was just relieved of another shotgun in his car! I seriously doubt that gun was obtained through legal channels but let's pile on more ineffective wishful thinking laws that will have no effect on curbing gun violence. People argue that there is no need for anyone to own a military style firearm. True enough but there is also no need to own a high powered car because commuters just need to get from point A to point B. How many people die from irresponsible drivers of fast cars each year? One could drive a car onto crowded sidewalks and make mayhem so shouldn't there be background checks and ten day waiting periods for car ownership? No amount of laws will rid this country of firearms unless we become a totalitarian state which would be far worse than the sad misuses of our rights we live with now. I will now step off my soap box. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

07-28-12, 02:01 PM	#23
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,405 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Comparing legal gun ownership and gun crime in the US is comparing apples to oranges and is a tactic often used by gun control proponents. The majority of gun crimes are committed with illegally acquired firearms. If you look at the number of gun crimes committed by people who legally own the firearms used compared to the total number of gun crimes, guess what. It is NOT the legal gun owner that presents much danger. Does the occasional knucklehead exist? Sure. But if gun ownership and carry was ENCOURAGED, the occasional crazy would have a self-preservation interest to keep from going of "half cocked". The tragedy in Colorado is a perfect example - 12 dead and 58 injured. Had even 2 or 3 people been armed in theatre 9, it would still be a tragedy - but you might have had 3 victims dead and one perpetrator pushing up daises. It would still have been a tragedy, but not nearly so bad of one. If you don't think self preservation is a strong motivator for even crazies, remember that the accused shooter in Colorado invested in and wore a protective vest...... __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

07-28-12, 03:54 PM	#26
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	Wella ban on guns wouldnt help, even though wed like to think it does, putting a ban on the sale of 100 round magazines might be something to consider. No one, NO ONE needs 100 rounds in any kind of civilian setting. For Anything. On the gun range, out hunting,for personal defense, nothing requires 100 rounds. Yet its perfectly legal. in fact, its legal to buy just about any weapon you please. grenade launchers, miniguns, flamethrowers,grenades. You can even get 40mm bofors if you have some serious paperwork, as a CIVILIAN. Who in gods name needs a 40mm Bofor for personal civilian use. that gun could potentially be hauled to a location to strafe something like a school yet its still legally possible to obtain one. A pistol, shotgun, or rifle is on thing. an anti aircraft weapon that can fling 40mm high velocity rounds at serious range, is another. __________________ A popular Government without popular information nor the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives - James Madison

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mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,628 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	A ban or a strict regulation is not the way-many of you are saying But do you have an another solution to the problems? Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	You could never ban guns, just insure that only criminals would have them. States with gun bans have the highest gun murder ratewith guns. Even if you did a house to house search to get rid of guns, most legal people would hide them and criminals would still get them at ease.

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	From the first word of the thread title, you just know it's going to be something monumentally stupid. "Floriduh's" stupidity strikes again. Another blatant abuse of what i call "that stupid stand your ground law". It's not guns in this case, its that idiotic law. It was designed with good intentions, but its exploitable beyond all belief. That's why this foriduh idiot was immediately saying, "i was in fear". BS, your just trying to invoke that stupid retarded law.