Cylindrical Earth

[martes86]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Crappy game, it will be the weakest of the series in most of the respects, except the graphics. And the eye candy graphics upgrade through the years took place in ALL video game applications, so that is not a "heroic" act for this so-called Silent Hunter 5, which has almost nothing to do with the concept of naval or sub simulation. As a conclusion, the series has took its course down, with SH5 at its lowest peak. Ubisoft and the romanian developers team should be really ashamed of themselves. But of course, they've got no shame, only the burning desire to fool the market and to make money profit. I hope they won't. At least, not from me.

You haven't tested it yet, and you claim it's crap already? Way to go, dumb and thoughtless subjectivity.

[ryanglavin]

Originally Posted by martes86

You haven't tested it yet, and you claim it's crap already? Way to go, dumb and thoughtless subjectivity.

DRM has infected us all, expressially when none of us have played it.

[malkuth74]

Originally Posted by ryanglavin

DRM has infected us all, expressially when none of us have played it.

This is going to be a funny month. Next week I get AVP, then next week I get Napoleon Total War, then after that I get SHV.

So I have been on a lot of forums lately surfing around, even the mass effect one. And it seems that forums are full of these types of complaints all the time now.

The DRM is bad, but I love SH Series and will stick with it. But get ready for huge complaints and negativity from others soon. I actually think some people actually look for new released games, find the forums and post complaints. Even though they don't have a game.

But oh well. I will have mine the 2nd march.

Originally Posted by martes86

You haven't tested it yet, and you claim it's crap already? Way to go, dumb and thoughtless subjectivity.

Maybe something related to you is "dumb" or "thoughtless", and you may not even know it. I can guess that you can apply for the position of a lawyer in Ubisoft company, you are showing a lot of potential! They probably need at least one ... As far as I am concerned, here's my position:
What you're saying it's something like I am showing you a picture of rotten food, and you are saying to me: "OK, but maybe it tastes good, how do you know without tasting it?"
It's more than obvious that it's a crappy game, considering just a few facts, the first ones that are coming to my mind (and for all of them I have clear and without doubt evidences):

- the arcade style graphics on periscope view;
- the lack of shadows of human characters;
- the mandatory connection to the Internet;
- the lack of real life physics, movement and the effect of the wind upon objects or water;
- the level water agitation in ports and pens;
- the flat surface of the Earth;
- the lack of a full war campaign;
- the lack of all playable german subs;

Ant the last two of them are probably just a part of a scheme, a "reason" for a potential add-on's or expansions, which means (of course!) more money for them.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Maybe something related to you is "dumb" or "thoughtless", and you may not even know it. Maybe you should apply for the position of a lawyer in Ubisoft company, you are showing show a lot of potential! They probably need at least one ...

Give me a break! Now you're taking me for an Ubi/DRM-defender??? I dislike DRM, and have voiced my opinion against it in this forum in several ocasions, not to mention the fact that most of the people I've talked to also hate it and I happen to agree with the arguments they present. But that doesn't mean I support radical destructive desinformed critics, we have a brain for something, not just for insulting without hard evidences of anything.

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

As far as I am concerned, here's my position:
What you're saying it's something like I am showing you a picture of rotten food, and you are saying to me: "OK, but maybe it tastes good, how do you know without tasting it?"
It's more than obvious that it's a crappy game, considering just a few facts, the first ones that are coming to my mind (and for all of them I have clear and without doubt evidences):

You can't compare a computer program with rotten food! A computer program is much more complicated, has more areas that make it "rotten" or not. You're judging just based on a few screencaps and 2 or 3 videos, which don't amount to the complexity such things have.

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

- the arcade style graphics on periscope view;
- the lack of shadows of human characters;
- the mandatory connection to the Internet;
- the lack of real time physics, movement and the effect of the wind upon objects or water;
- the level water agitation in ports and pens;
- the flat surface of the Earth;
- the lack of a full war campaign;
- the lack of all playable german subs;

1. GUI judging is not a reason. I've said many times now that you can't judge a whole product based on the GUI, which BTW, will be moddable via Python scripts anyways.
2. That remains to be seen in final versions of SH5. All we've seen are preview pics. Lastest build might include those details. Maybe it was excluded on purpose, what do we know?
3. That is a separate aspect from the game itself. There's SH5, and then there's DRM. DRM is crap. But we don't know that SH5 is really crap.
4. Source to prove it? Otherwise, you don't know that for a fact, and are just speculating.
5. Minor detail that doesn't make the overall a crappy thing.
6. Internal programming issue, which I totally understand because of its complexity.
7. Secondary detail for me, and will probably be extendable anyways, just like we could edit the campaign layers in SH3/4.
8. At first, something that I thought was not so good, now I think that it isn't so much of a problem anyways, specially if, like 7, it can be modded.

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Ant the last two of them are probably just a part of a scheme, a "reason" for a potential add-on's or expansions, which means (of course!) more money for them.

An expansion of the years 44 and 45 when they've clearly stated that the U-Boot war was already over and lost at mid-43? Doesn't make much sense.
It does make sense to release addons with new boats though, but it's too early to talk about that.

So... got better arguments? Or you're just gonna tell me that I'm an Ubi defender?

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by martes86

An expansion of the years 44 and 45 when they've clearly stated that the U-Boot war was already over and lost at mid-43? Doesn't make much sense.

Shut up. Just shut up.

[guynoir]

Originally Posted by martes86

An expansion of the years 44 and 45 when they've clearly stated that the U-Boot war was already over and lost at mid-43? Doesn't make much sense.
It does make sense to release addons with new boats though, but it's too early to talk about that.

I think what they've said is that the Atlantic Theater vastly changed past '43 with new tactics, ship types, ASW advancements, etc, and they didn't feel like they could do proper justice to the later years with the development time they have--that if they let the campaign go on to '45, it'd still just be the early years but with '1945' tacked to the calendar.

In that sense, I'd rather it end in '43 than paint an inaccurate picture of the end of the war... even if it means I'd have to buy an expansion to see the next two and a half years done accurately.

(of course, I'm still not buying anything until Ubisoft strips their DRM. )

Originally Posted by martes86

Give me a break! Now you're taking me for an Ubi/DRM-defender??? I dislike DRM, and have voiced my opinion against it in this forum in several ocasions, not to mention the fact that most of the people I've talked to also hate it and I happen to agree with the arguments they present. But that doesn't mean I support radical destructive desinformed critics, we have a brain for something, not just for insulting without hard evidences of anything.




You can't compare a computer program with rotten food! A computer program is much more complicated, has more areas that make it "rotten" or not. You're judging just based on a few screencaps and 2 or 3 videos, which don't amount to the complexity such things have.



1. GUI judging is not a reason. I've said many times now that you can't judge a whole product based on the GUI, which BTW, will be moddable via Python scripts anyways.
2. That remains to be seen in final versions of SH5. All we've seen are preview pics. Lastest build might include those details. Maybe it was excluded on purpose, what do we know?
3. That is a separate aspect from the game itself. There's SH5, and then there's DRM. DRM is crap. But we don't know that SH5 is really crap.
4. Source to prove it? Otherwise, you don't know that for a fact, and are just speculating.
5. Minor detail that doesn't make the overall a crappy thing.
6. Internal programming issue, which I totally understand because of its complexity.
7. Secondary detail for me, and will probably be extendable anyways, just like we could edit the campaign layers in SH3/4.
8. At first, something that I thought was not so good, now I think that it isn't so much of a problem anyways, specially if, like 7, it can be modded.




An expansion of the years 44 and 45 when they've clearly stated that the U-Boot war was already over and lost at mid-43? Doesn't make much sense.
It does make sense to release addons with new boats though, but it's too early to talk about that.

So... got better arguments? Or you're just gonna tell me that I'm an Ubi defender?

Of course I do have arguments:
1. We are not talking about the potential moddable interface or game, we are talking about the actual game that they will sell on the market. Not about "what can be", but about "what is".
2. I don't see any purpose to post pictures of buggy aspects of the game, just in case you are masochist.
3. We're talking about the game as a whole, we cannot separate on one side DRM, and the other, the game itself, because the first one will obviously affect the playability of the game itself.
4. OK, in this area is just a hunch, and we will probably have the chance to see that my speculation was right.
5. The whole pictures is made of lot of details, those kind of details you are not affected by them, but I am. And I am sure not only me.
6. A Google Earth - like system would have been great and I am sure it was not impossible to be implemented.
7. And what if the war was already lost from '43 till '54? That way, playing just while the war is not lost yest will change the course of history? It will not, of course.
8. Don't put the emphasis on "what if" and "it can be corrected" or "it can be modded", because the customers are paying for the stock game that they are buying, not for the modded or corrected game.
And yes, I will tell you that you are a Ubi defender, and you shouldn't be ashamed of that, we all are making choices in life. You should just accept and admit your choice. I can respect your choice.