Confusion over Campaign [Merged]

[razark]

Originally Posted by Reece

The other area that has me worried is the set of historic events, that appear to be scripted and after a few campaigns you would know exactly what to expect (repetitive), maybe these can be modded out and added in the rnd layer (if there is still one)?

That sounds like the SH3 "dynamic" campaign. Historic events are scripted in. A convoy or task force may have a different class of battleship or cruiser in it, but that task force is going to spawn on z date at point (x,y) and go to (x1,y1). In one campaign, it might have a particular mix of ships, and in another campaign, it might have some others.

As for what a dynamic vs. a random campaign is, here is my take.

Random campaign: What we have in SH3/4. If I go on patrol, and set up at point x, a tanker might spawn, and I sink it. Another tanker might spawn, and I sink it. I wait long enough, and a tanker will spawn, and then another, and then another. On my next patrol, I go back where I was, and a tanker might spawn. And another...

Dynamic campaign: I sail out to point x, and a tanker might spawn. I sink it. Another might spawn, sink it again. I wait and sink 20 tankers. Next patrol, I go out to point x, find that there's no tankers because someone noticed if they send a tanker past point x, it sinks. Instead of an endless stream of tankers that might spawn, I meet a hunter/killer group.

[JScones]

FWIW I don't mind the "introduction" cruise, or whatever it's called, at all, especially if you are starting out as the IWO. Sounds fine to me, as I always take a shakedown cruise whenever I start a new career anyway. I wouldn't want it any other way.

Of course, if it's interspersed with some training video elements, that's diffrent. But surely not?

[JScones]

Originally Posted by JU_88

I think the hysteria over the SHV campaign is down to some people misunderstanding and then jumping to conclusions.

They tend to selectivly quote something Dan or an artical says
and then follow up with the phrase...
"It sounds to me like they are saying..." or "I think this means..."

The Devs have said its an improved dynamic campaign & explained how it works about ten thousand times already.

This is where I have a small concern though. Grab out your SH3 box and look on the back. It says "Dynamic Campaign". Search around the internet and there's something from the devs at the time stating that SH3 will have a "Dynamic Campaign".

We found out a week after release that it was actually a "Random and Scripted Campaign".

The same devs are now promising a "Dynamic Campaign" for SH5.

That might be true, but after being led down so many wrong paths so far, I'm still sceptical on what they really mean.

Unless you can provide me links to some of the 10,000 explanations on how it works (not just those stating that it's dynamic). For some reason, despite there being so many, I'm not finding any that do anything more than describe it at a high level.

[Reece]

I agree with what you are saying Jaesen, I am speculating on what the campaign will be like, probably to the point of paranoia!! but due to what is happening with having only the VII boat and ending in 43, no rough seas, possible SH4 lightning bug and seeing no dynamic shadows in the latest video's and snapshots, the periscope view look awful, well I'm just a little disillusioned! I wish they would spend a little time explaining these things!

[TarJak]

Neal's phone bill would then have to be paid out of Subsim donations! It's always hard to get a full explanation for something that may be complex over a phone line with a limited amount of time and a lot of ground to cover.

[cappy70]

The game is not just released, yet....

[sk065]

hold on a minute......no rough sea's? you got to be kidding me right? quote from the dev's please?

I think the campaign is the least of my worries. I'm more worried about the finite number of scripted storyline dialogue coming from your crew. This is going to get stale after a while and effect replayabilty.

I would prefer if they just carried out your orders and that was it.

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by sk065

I think the campaign is the least of my worries. I'm more worried about the finite number of scripted storyline dialogue coming from your crew. This is going to get stale after a while and effect replayabilty.

I would prefer if they just carried out your orders and that was it.

Exact point... maybe just a quick soldiers reply.

It would be nice to have a silent rumors of crew chatting in nearby compartment... of course - in non combat situation.
Even better, to have it as sounds option - on/off

[sk065]

I think everything up until now I have managed to keep an open mind with and was coming round to the idea of 43 ending and type VII boats etc.....BUt no rough sea's? How can they justify that? If so, this is a deal breaker for me and I wont be buying SHV.

[Sgtmonkeynads]

I'v been hearing about the no rough seas in other threads too, but for the life of me can not find where they siad that? I'm hopeing it's only humor. Does anyone have a link to that interview that says there is no rough water.

[JScones]

There's this from the Community Q&A thread:

During the storm in the Atlantic, will the stormy features/elements like rain drops, lightning, layers of grey clouds be more realistic than the previous releases of SH?

The weather system is enhanced compared to the previous titles; it is now more dynamic and realistic. Expect to see weather conditions correct to the climate zone in which you travel, for the respective season and moment of day. You will face raging blizzards in the North Sea and enjoy the nice weather in the Med, and this will change the way you fight.

No overt mention of sea state though, so speculate away!

[Adriatico]

Whenever I got promisses... instead of screenshots - it turned out as something wrong...
(in my long gaming carier)

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Well, I don't know what to think anymore. Like you said, to much speculation on our part, and to many smoke and mirrors on theirs. So, I
will still hope for the best and see what comes......

I still think that we need to rally round the flag though, I mean the reason I love Sh is the noble fight to the end of a lost cause. When all is against and you have to make due with what you have. But then again my patron saint is Jude, saint of lost causes. Believe me I've fought the good fight many times just to be kicked in the nutts after words, I hope this is not one of those times.

[JScones]

Well, Webster said he read somewhere something about rough seas not being modelled...but I guess unless he can produce a link, then it was never said. I couldn't find anything similar in the Q&A thread.

I'm not gonna speculate - like many people I assumed "Operation Drumbeat" to also mean the inclusion of Type IX U-boats...how wrong that was, LOL!

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Have you ever seen the movie Butch and the Sundance Kid?

The look the Butch gives Sundance before they run out the door for the last time?

That is what my face looks like right now.