You guys still think this can't happen here?

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Spike88

The whole issue I have with this is people are willing to go to arms against the National Guard. Really the soldiers who would of been partaking in this exercise would just be doing their job.

Well, if it came down to it, wouldn't people going in arms against the Guard be simply excercising their Constitutional rights? And wouldn't the Guard's soldiers be following an illegal order?

Personally, while I believe that people are reading way too much into it (as August pointed out, this is a fairly standard practice), I also believe that "just doing their job" is no reason for any American to sacrifice THEIR rights...

[Spike88]

Your issue would be true if they had unconditional proof that this was martial law. But they don't, they are just reading too far into this and assuming what it is. My issue is with people getting ready to get in a gunfight with people who are there training, or atleast under the impression that they are training.


This issue reminds me of the assumption song.

[sunvalleyslim]

This tells me that there is a possible threat of some form of terrorist activity that the government is planning for. However to try to make this an exercise utilizing the public to make this exercise real doesn't feel right.
I was in downtown L.A. this weekend working on a pilot film called "Flash Forward" while filming, two large military helocopters came racing down southbound along on 110 (Harbor Freeway) between the high rises of Los Angeles at about 600 ft off the deck. This is not a natural occurence in L.A. where restrictions are 1500 ft. The explanation was, #1 they were trying to stay out of LAX Airport fly zone which is 20 miles away. Or #2. They're the military they can do whatever they want. So my question was why? Why fly that low through high rises without a known threat. Was it an exercise for something in the future? Or simply overzealous airjockeys flying through? In this poltical correct time I can't think that it was just a joyride through L.A. Give me your opinion..........SVS

[August]

Originally Posted by sunvalleyslim

This tells me that there is a possible threat of some form of terrorist activity that the government is planning for. However to try to make this an exercise utilizing the public to make this exercise real doesn't feel right.
I was in downtown L.A. this weekend working on a pilot film called "Flash Forward" while filming, two large military helocopters came racing down southbound along on 110 (Harbor Freeway) between the high rises of Los Angeles at about 600 ft off the deck. This is not a natural occurence in L.A. where restrictions are 1500 ft. The explanation was, #1 they were trying to stay out of LAX Airport fly zone which is 20 miles away. Or #2. They're the military they can do whatever they want. So my question was why? Why fly that low through high rises without a known threat. Was it an exercise for something in the future? Or simply overzealous airjockeys flying through? In this poltical correct time I can't think that it was just a joyride through L.A. Give me your opinion..........SVS

Maybe they were props in the movie being filmed two blocks over?

[Spike88]

Not to stir the whole conspiracy theory pot. But your story does remind me of an occurrence that happened the other night. It was about 1 in the morning and I was laying in bed. I could hear the low roar of a jet fighter in the distance. Mind you Homestead Airforce base is about 10 miles south of us. Well, I'm laying there just about to fall asleep when it grows a lot louder. It sounded like it was low to the ground. I mean it was extremely loud. I dont know if it was a single fighter that did pass overs the same locations several times, or several different fighters. It goes on for about 5 minutes with the sound raising and falling, enventually I can hear them going off in the opposite direction. I was just about to fall asleep again, when 10 minutes later when it came back going in the direction that it came from, and the sound lasted for another 3 minutes before it was silent again.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Spike88

Your issue would be true if they had unconditional proof that this was martial law. But they don't, they are just reading too far into this and assuming what it is. My issue is with people getting ready to get in a gunfight with people who are there training, or atleast under the impression that they are training.


This issue reminds me of the assumption song.

Umm, well, that was kind of the context I was referring to, yes.

[Aramike]

Why fly that low through high rises without a known threat.

Perhaps so they can prepare for doing it when there is a known threat...

[baggygreen]

Or, you came very close to being involved in some sort of big attack that was thwarted..

Who knows. I do know that we're not told everything because the public as a collective whole simply can't take it. Example? What if that 'terrorist' bush's 'illegal' camp in cuba turned up a genuine threat within the states, which was then stopped. That would cause one half of your population to collapse in on itself, that 'dopey guy' doing something right by you.

Just an example there...

[Oberon]

Reminds me of a Simpsons episode



Years ago though, I was living out in a fairly remote area (still pretty remote where I am now but at least there's some amenities nearby now ) and an army Lynx came over very low and proceeded to come down to about a couple of feet off the ground in a nearby field, some soldiers jumped out, stood around for a minute and then jumped back in, shut the door and the Lynx flew off.
Something pretty striking for a nine year old to witness

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by August

Military training exercises on civilian property are nothing new. I participated in several of them back in the early 1980's, chasing Special Forces teams around upstate Vermont and New Hampshire.

We've also been running them for years overseas. I can't tell you how many German barns i've slept in and how many farmers fields we tore up.

Now let me point out what you are all missing - You weren't training to open cupboards to look for weapons to confiscate in every single home you entered. You were doing legitimate training.

-S

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Now let me point out what you are all missing - You weren't training to open cupboards to look for weapons to confiscate in every single home you entered. You were doing legitimate training.

-S

Seriously? How do you know what training was for?

I've observed many an exercise where this activity took place - decades ago.

[Etienne]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Now let me point out what you are all missing - You weren't training to open cupboards to look for weapons to confiscate in every single home you entered. You were doing legitimate training.

-S

The article specify that they would only have searched house that volunteered to be searched. That kind of negates, well, all of the legal arguments. If you want to invite soldiers to search your houses, you're free to do so.

Few years back, I was in the Med during a gigantic NATO exercise (Well, it sounded gigantic to us anyway); all vessels in the area received NUMEROUS warnings of the exercices, and requests for volunteers were sent out with those warnings (You could volunteer to be used as escort practice up to getting boarded by guys from an helicopter. It was pretty specific.)

I suppose they were planning to do pretty much the same thing.

[danurve]

Seems to me K-town was live surreal training. Didn't matter if you had means of self preservation, if you were young and healthy, or an 80 year old woman.

[surf_ten]

The NWO conspiracist are going ga ga over this story. I guess the whole financial collaspse is supporting people's beliefs that the evil cabal of elistist are out to get us non essential beings.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Every time I bring this crap up, you guys said it couldn't happen here. I'm paranoid, blah blah blah. Let me tell you this, this wouldn't have been tolerated 20 years ago.

-S

I would like a summary in the post, so I can decide if I want to click on the link.