Next President of the United States

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Sometimes I think you look at America with rose colored glasses.

Actually, I think those glasses are probably more a shade of brown Personally, I don't see anything wrong with trying to get the monkey off of the taxpayers back, either. Throwing freshly minted bills at the problem may work in the short term, but it's hardly going to be the best solution in the long run.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Actually, I think those glasses are probably more a shade of brown Personally, I don't see anything wrong with trying to get the monkey off of the taxpayers back, either. Throwing freshly minted bills at the problem may work in the short term, but it's hardly going to be the best solution in the long run.

My basic premise is this DT. Those that got into these loans either without thinking or went in head long knowing they did it on shoe string are getting a bail out. Some of these people who are "suffering" were house flippers. Some of these folks who are "suffering" got credited to the hilt with credit card debt. The folks are "suffering" with their big screen TV's, cruises, SUV's and trips to Disney Land. Now, after all the good times and the smoke clears, they see they are screwed financially. First the credit cards stop getting paid, then it moves on to the mortgage not getting paid. Then wait a minute, we will point our fingers at the lending institutions as the cause of the "suffer's" ills. They made me sign that loan and blow my credit cards up to the max. As per usual in America, it is someone elses fault for my misgivings. Typical. Now those that are "suffering" will get a free ride and started on a new mortgage at some super low rate...like 1% and folks like me get the thumb screws because we get to pay for the bail out and are not offered a now "Government Loans are Us" mortgage company deal on financing. We are left to keep on fending off like we have been doing all along. Were is the justice in that? There is none. There is absolutely nothing in this bail out for those that did the right thing. Took the responsiblity and used their heads.

Again, I'm glad John McCain is not just letting is slip on by with the big old stamp of approval by Pelosi, Obama and the rest of them who by and large were part of this mess. Furthermore, this will take months, if not years to sort out for the millions in foreclosure. Everythting stops for these people. No payments, nothing to pay at all until "Government Loans are Us" gets them set up. Yet another free ride until Uncle Sam the loan officer shows up. So, it is off to Disney Land and another cruise while they wait for Uncle Sam the load officer to show up with a rate of 1% on a 30 year fixed. This make me very ill to no end. It is just a continuation of the welfare state to the tune of $700 billion. I understand the Dems want another $64 billion on top of it.


BTW, the lending institution are just as much to blame. Personally, they should sink IMO. As long as Uncle Sam is paying, Uncle Sam should run it. The same thing they did with the Housing and Urban Development office. Known as HUD.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

He is not looking to be the savior of the nations for this financial crisis. He is attempting to not have a swift resolution that is not looked at in detail. The dems just wanted to throw out a big check on the tax payors backs without taking a good look at the plan or what it might generate down the road. It is the likes of John McCain that slowed the process, created some arguments and generated conversation instead of just cutting a check and moving on with the election. Obama has not said a darn thing either other than what we want to hear....tax cuts. Just another political ploy. I know as well as the rest of America knows, there are no tax cuts coming. It is a pipe dream.

Furthermore, why am I who pays his mortgage on time have to bail out the banks and people who have lived beyond their means? Why are we rewarding those that ran credit cards up and fell behind in their mortgage? Why does my neighbor who had not made a house payment in 6 months have a large screen TV and a brand new SUV in the driveway? Why are they booking a cruise? Where the hell is my bail out for doing the right thing? Where is my reward? Why am I getting screwed by meeting my responsibilities? T


The good old Dems want to cut a check in three nano seconds without taking a second look. Screw it! What do they care? They don't. Per Biden....it must must be my "Patriotic duty". Well you know what, I do not feel very patriotic bailing out bums and rewarding those who conduct poor business practices. So, you know what, I'm glad John has put some reigns to the quick to cut check on the tax payors backs. It is obsurd that I as a tax payer has to produce cash for the bail out. Where is my reward for doing the right thing? Sometimes I think you look at America with rose colored glasses.

I did not defend the 700 billion thing, I just commented on McCain that both by assessement of your american major news as well as german and British commentators has made an extremely unpositive figure, and I said that this falls in place with that whenever I read or heared of him commenting on economics he gave the impression to be anything but bright concerning economic matters. however, it is true that I would like to see that aid fond if it is of benefit for foreign economies as well, so that there is at least some kind of compensation that America has brought over economies in all the world by having bitterly fought against any kind of protective measures, and stubbornly insisting on that only an unregulated market is a good market. Well, we see the madness in that assessement now, and even over here we need to pay the price for that stubborness and economic arrogance, in loss of econo,mic growth, turning into a recession, in lost state tax incomes, an massive loss of jobs and families in misery. - I only wish there would be a way to separate american tax payers that support unregulated, ultra-liberal market philosopphy from those that understand that a certain minimum of regulation (as little as possibole but as much as needed) is vital, and have only the first needing to pay with their taxes for the logical consequences of that self-destructive philosophy. But of course, that is utopic. But it would be nice to have this kind of justice getting installed by some kind fairy. Also, i remember it different from your claim that again the evil bad democrats are guilty of having wanted that aid package as the first ones. I remember very clearly that it was circles around the government mentioning it first, Paulson, supported by bernanke. At the personal interest of Paulson to save his former employer, his former colleagues and his own fortune, I already ha dcommented in another thread. By their desire, the high risk speculations and casion games of bankers would be justfied and proven right in rerstrospective, if public taxes now would be spent to pay for their deal'S implicit risks and failures. - and it was not the government demanding as the first ones that managers should be held responsible with their private welalth and wages for the mess they created.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, I think the managers should be held accountable. But, we are in a catch 22. Between a rock and hard place. In other words, these managers know that the government has to step in with a large check to help stablize the economy and wall street. What do they care? The only thing they are sweating is a congressional hearing. Nothing more.

Oh, I agree, McCain is not the economic guru. Either is Obama. A pilot and lawyer....hmmmm. Between them they can see if the legality of the bail out will fly!

Obama's answer to the oil problem...inflate your tires. Democrates answer to the financial crisis....inflate the brokens banks bank accounts.

[dean_acheson]

You know, that's funny. Here in flyover country, that's how we feel about Newsweek, the NYT, and WaPo.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sure, sure. Even here in distant Germany mentioning Fox has become a running joke. I have seen so many examples of their unbiased coverage and manipulative reporting that I understand them to be the prime example of how to abuse the label of journalism to pour heavily biased - and often very mean and aggressive - propaganda amongst people, and declare the bancruptcy of jpournalism that way.

If you see FOX as "unbiased coverage", then I conclude that they just are telling what you probably want to hear.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

or (hopefully) Georgia :p

Naw, won't happen. The rednecks who came there to fight off the Russian invasion won't let that scenario occur.

I still think it will be Obama, but we'll see. I'm mostly going on the prediction that the next few weeks have more risks for McCain's campaign than his.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Naw, won't happen. The rednecks who came there to fight off the Russian invasion won't let that scenario occur.

Hey, if that French news service hadn't shown the attacks happening in Savannah, we wouldn't even have bothered cleaning our guns:rotfl:

[Skybird]

I just became aware of the - now apparently quite famous - Palin-Couric interview on CBS. Or the Palin-sitcom, as one maybe should descrobe it with more precision. What a loser!

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_type=&aq=f

Bad grammar. Poor syntax. Contradictions within one and the very same sentence. Not the smallest awareness that Curic practically executed her with a smile. Never-ending sentences, stutterings, and word salad. Stupid catch-phrases, in repetitions. A shocking display of incompetence and lack of realistic assessement on various issues. Even contradicting things that even McCain does not dare to claim anymore.

Terrible.

Campaign managers on the Republican side without doubt are in panic mode. Doesn't she have to run two TV debates against Biden...? They would like to pay a hundred millions now if they could bail out from that, I'm sure.

I just saw one of the most stupid politicians I ever had the chance to listen to.

Honestly said I cant see much sings of intelligent life in this body of hers, and I think she is quite retarded. If I were American, the perspective of her becoming vice-president or even president I would find deeply worrying, and as an alarming signal how far political culture in my country already has detoriated.

I am looking forward to her doing the TV debates against Biden. If she does not conduct some emergency brain surgery and changes both her intellectual capacity and personality, he will slaughter her. I will find it most amusing.

My compliments to Mrs. Couric. She did an awesome job in ripping of the mask and let Palin dig her own grave.

I also read that short time ago, a copmedy program scored high interest and amusement with the audience by having the palin interview on display - without much editing, so I read. A candidate being the unvoluntary star in a comedy program, and his political "program" - if you forgive to use that word - being laughed about - can it become any more worse...?

Guys, if you vote for such a flatliner to go into important office, than you really deserve nothing better than just that.

[Onkel Neal]

Hmmmm.... I watched these interviews on the network, your thread prompted me to watch it again on the YouTube clips. I don't know what you're talking about. Palin held herself well, spoke well. She made a good point about predatory lenders, too. I'm guessing you are over-hyping your comments, according to your bias against Republicans. I'm prepared to hear you tell us how stupid we are for another four years if McCain wins.

I do thankfully acknowledge that Couric asked tough questions without flinching. She's no Larry King or Dan Rather. I'm always glad to see a serious journalist work, and she should provide the same grilling to all the candidates.

[Skybird]

You leave me speechless.

[Onkel Neal]

Well, you get really worked up over something like this, I just don't get it. Did Sarah Palin sound like a typical politican in the interview? To me, yeah. Did she sound like a gibbering idiot? No. Not to me. Are we Americans idiots if we elect McCain/Palin? Do we "deserve what we get"? WTH kind of statement is that? We "deserve what we get" if we elect Obama, too. Neither candidate is the Anti-Christ, as far as I can tell.

[Platapus]

Here is my deep thoughtful prediction

If either Obama or McCain are elected, our nation will survive. It won't be as bad as some fear and it won't be as good as some dream.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Of course the US will survive, always do. I'm more worried about the rest of the world

How true.

Yea, I honestly don't think either of those two is incompetent or has a poor view of American interests. To an outsider like me, they have a lot more in common than they do in terms of differences. Which of course is a concern because, again, as an outsider I'm not particularly impressed with either Obama's or McCain's view of the outside world and how it should be handled. Obama's I find more acceptable, but still...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Did she sound like a gibbering idiot? No. Not to me.

Well, it seems we are separated by the better part of the galaxy about that assessement. Only rarely I have heared more stupid, helpless, stuttering phrasemongering. In that talkings with Couric, she was totally and completely overtaxed, and so very obviously thankful for the poisenous help of handing her a shovel to dig herself a deeper grave.

And it seemed to me she even did not realised it. neal, I have a hard time to believe you do not see that, maybe I think you made a stuopid decisioon when voting for bush a second time, but I definitely do not thinky oyu are a stupid person in principal. I saw that US news has covered her pityful appearance as well. I saw it being covered in german news as well, and although american issue get well-covered over here, to going after such detailed stories is even for German standards a bit of an exception from the usual way.

I did not find the originbal German source that made me aware of this story this morning, but instead I found this which also is a major outlet. Even on radio yesterday evening, they laughed about it.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...580937,00.html

Or here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/op...se&oref=slogin

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Well, it seems we are separated by the better part of the galaxy about that assessement. Only rarely I have heared more stupid, helpless, stuttering phrasemongering. In that talkings with Couric, she was totally and completely overtaxed, and so very obviously thankful for the poisenous help of handing her a shovel to dig herself a deeper grave.

And it seemed to me she even did not realised it. neal, I have a hard time to believe you do not see that, maybe I think you made a stuopid decisioon when voting for bush a second time, but I definitely do not thinky oyu are a stupid person in principal. I saw that US news has covered her pityful appearance as well. I saw it being covered in german news as well, and although american issue get well-covered over here, to going after such detailed stories is even for German standards a bit of an exception from the usual way.

I did not find the originbal German source that made me aware of this story this morning, but instead I found this which also is a major outlet. Even on radio yesterday evening, they laughed about it.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...580937,00.html

Or here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/op...se&oref=slogin

You didn't watch many Obama interviews, did you? Heck, your or my English is probably better to understand tha(e)n Obamas, even with our accent.