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Old 10-27-08, 06:34 AM   #196
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Obama is not even near believing in Socialism, Communism, nor Facism. He is a complete "muslimist", therefore we will have arabs praying "allah" in America if he becomes president. He must be prevented & we must have McCain, even though its not the best choice, but the better one.
what exactly is wrong with being a muslim ?
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Old 10-27-08, 06:56 AM   #197
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Obama is not even near believing in Socialism, Communism, nor Facism. He is a complete "muslimist", therefore we will have arabs praying "allah" in America if he becomes president. He must be prevented & we must have McCain, even though its not the best choice, but the better one.
Hang on, what is it you fear exactly, because i may have a plan that could help you.

I mean it is already acceptable for Muslim Americans, even those of Arab ancestry, to pray to Allah, right? GWB himself even visited some mosques in the USA, where presumably Allah-praying-to has been known to occur. So i presume there is something more extreme than this that you specifically fear under an Obama presidency - something that must be stopped?
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Old 10-27-08, 07:30 AM   #198
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Obama is not even near believing in Socialism, Communism, nor Facism. He is a complete "muslimist", therefore we will have arabs praying "allah" in America if he becomes president. He must be prevented & we must have McCain, even though its not the best choice, but the better one.
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Old 10-27-08, 07:33 AM   #199
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The intentional clean-washing of Islam and raising an illusion of how harmless it's ideology is (Morts, Joey) will lead to the same self-damaging outcome than making ridiculously, hilariously pointless attacks against Obama (JHuschke, Subman et. al.) - something this whole campaign has degenerated into: personal insults and false attacks. Is every lie acceptable these days in American politics if only it secures power? That is no political culture, that is a form of anarchy: the rule of the loudest voice and the meaniest lie. And all too often it is to be seen that those lying the loudest are also the first to point fingers at the other.

both this naivety about Islam, and the deeply corrupt and uneducated mess politics have degenerated into - where shine rules over substance and mudthrowing pays more off than argument - , is so very sick and revealing for the degeneration of the West. And both factors play into the hands of Islam. It grows by the failures of the West.
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The intentional clean-washing of Islam and raising an illusion of how harmless it's ideology is (Morts, Joey) will lead to the same self-damaging outcome than making ridiculously, hilariously pointless attacks against Obama (JHuschke, Subman et. al.) - something this whole campaign has degenerated into: personal insults and false attacks. Is every lie acceptable these days in American politics if only it secures power? That is no political culture, that is a form of anarchy: the rule of the loudest voice and the meaniest lie. And all too often it is to be seen that those lying the loudest are also the first to point fingers at the other.
Quoting this from the king of finger pointing for posterity.
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Old 10-27-08, 08:19 AM   #201
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The intentional clean-washing of Islam and raising an illusion of how harmless it's ideology is (Morts, Joey) will lead to the same self-damaging outcome than making ridiculously, hilariously pointless attacks against Obama (JHuschke, Subman et. al.) - something this whole campaign has degenerated into: personal insults and false attacks. Is every lie acceptable these days in American politics if only it secures power? That is no political culture, that is a form of anarchy: the rule of the loudest voice and the meaniest lie. And all too often it is to be seen that those lying the loudest are also the first to point fingers at the other.

both this naivety about Islam, and the deeply corrupt and uneducated mess politics have degenerated into - where shine rules over substance and mudthrowing pays more off than argument - , is so very sick and revealing for the degeneration of the West. And both factors play into the hands of Islam. It grows by the failures of the West.
so, muslims are dangerous ? i'll just tell my iraqi neighbours that..i bet they'll chop my head off ! (not) they are the kindest people ive had as my neighbours i fail to see how they pose a threat to me by being...friendly !
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I'm checking out from this thread and all other threads on the US elections, Obama, McCain, Palin, Muslims and Islam for a month or so. I have had enough and don't feel I can contribute anything more. Enjoy guys. Try to keep it civil and may the best candidate win.
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The intentional clean-washing of Islam and raising an illusion of how harmless it's ideology is (Morts, Joey) will lead to the same self-damaging outcome than making ridiculously, hilariously pointless attacks against Obama (JHuschke, Subman et. al.) - something this whole campaign has degenerated into: personal insults and false attacks. Is every lie acceptable these days in American politics if only it secures power? That is no political culture, that is a form of anarchy: the rule of the loudest voice and the meaniest lie. And all too often it is to be seen that those lying the loudest are also the first to point fingers at the other.

both this naivety about Islam, and the deeply corrupt and uneducated mess politics have degenerated into - where shine rules over substance and mudthrowing pays more off than argument - , is so very sick and revealing for the degeneration of the West. And both factors play into the hands of Islam. It grows by the failures of the West.
so, muslims are dangerous ? i'll just tell my iraqi neighbours that..i bet they'll chop my head off ! (not) they are the kindest people ive had as my neighbours i fail to see how they pose a threat to me by being...friendly !
Interesting attitude. Somebody criticises an ideology for it's teachings, and you reply with "But I have a friendly neighbour".

Mind if I leave that unanswered? There already is the election thing to worry about.
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He signed legislation in 97 to drop it to 20% which resulted in revenue to balance the budget. Bush later dropped it to 15% but because of the tech bubble bust he did not see the continued results that the Clinton administration had. Unfortunatly!
The reason I point out Congress as the author of those tax cuts is because I get the idea that our European friends tend to believe the President makes such decisions when he doesn't.
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The intentional clean-washing of Islam and raising an illusion of how harmless it's ideology is (Morts, Joey) will lead to the same self-damaging outcome than making ridiculously, hilariously pointless attacks against Obama (JHuschke, Subman et. al.) - something this whole campaign has degenerated into: personal insults and false attacks. Is every lie acceptable these days in American politics if only it secures power? That is no political culture, that is a form of anarchy: the rule of the loudest voice and the meaniest lie. And all too often it is to be seen that those lying the loudest are also the first to point fingers at the other.

both this naivety about Islam, and the deeply corrupt and uneducated mess politics have degenerated into - where shine rules over substance and mudthrowing pays more off than argument - , is so very sick and revealing for the degeneration of the West. And both factors play into the hands of Islam. It grows by the failures of the West.
so, muslims are dangerous ? i'll just tell my iraqi neighbours that..i bet they'll chop my head off ! (not) they are the kindest people ive had as my neighbours i fail to see how they pose a threat to me by being...friendly !
Interesting attitude. Somebody criticises an ideology for it's teachings, and you reply with "But I have a friendly neighbour".

Mind if I leave that unanswered? There already is the election thing to worry about.
listen, there is nothing wrong with being a muslim...every religious person doesnt want to see everyone who dont belive in the same thing destroyed
its just a small amount of people who f*ck it up for the rest
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Ok, forget the Muslims. Good googly moogly. We need to concentrate on this:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...lams_ob_3.html


It would seem that Obama has had a long standing idea of redistributing the wealth. This is what we need to investigate. Leave the Muslims alone. Personally I think Muslims got a bad name because of a handful of Muslims have made problems.

Now, lets find out exactly what we are faced with here concerning Obama.
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listen, there is nothing wrong with being a muslim...every religious person doesnt want to see everyone who dont belive in the same thing destroyed
its just a small amount of people who f*ck it up for the rest
Wrong, it is the ideology itself messing it up. But okay, let's follow Warhawks's advise to leave Islam out of this thread. Not that the McCain tirade is anything different than the usual campaigning propaganda and black-and-white painting...
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listen, there is nothing wrong with being a muslim...every religious person doesnt want to see everyone who dont belive in the same thing destroyed
its just a small amount of people who f*ck it up for the rest
Wrong, it is the ideology itself messing it up. But okay, let's follow Warhawks's advise to leave Islam out of this thread. Not that the McCain tirade is anything different than the usual campaigning propaganda and black-and-white painting...
The tirade is part of the politics....there are more pressing issues concerning Obama than Muslims/Islam. Since we brought up Ideology, what is Obama's Ideology? I'm certainly getting mixed signals and there are far to many byes for Obama and more on the way.
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listen, there is nothing wrong with being a muslim...every religious person doesnt want to see everyone who dont belive in the same thing destroyed
its just a small amount of people who f*ck it up for the rest
Wrong, it is the ideology itself messing it up. But okay, let's follow Warhawks's advise to leave Islam out of this thread. Not that the McCain tirade is anything different than the usual campaigning propaganda and black-and-white painting...
So, what you are saying is that people are infallible and religion, in and of itself, is FUBAR (fooked up beyond all repair)? I think you must be standing on your head when you post these ideas
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