My expereince, living in a red state and a blue state.

[Digital_Trucker]

I'm certainly happy that you like it where you are, but have you looked around at the rest of the country (including the states, and probably even cities bordering where you currently live)? Not to hijack your story, but I've seen little towns and big cities from Miami to Seattle and San Diego to Bangor and you can see all the good and the bad things you describe all over this country.

Thanks for sharing the beginning of your story

[Frame57]

Hey! If you are ever near the Sub base in Groton Conn. See if you can tour their museum there.

[Rockin Robbins]

What a crock of well-worn falsities. Where I live is nowhere near what you describe. Go to Birmingham, Alabama or Orlando, Florida and say that. Your characterization of the south is purposefully inaccurate, laughable even. Even your straw man pitting of north and south is ludicrous, considering that half of New York is living in Palm Coast, Florida. Why? Because it was their lifetime ambition, that's why!

People don't move out of paradise to live in hell. So you've got it very wrong, pal. The entire country is moving to the sun belt for some very good reasons. This will make the Yankee states, like Virginia, a better place to live by easing their overpopulation. Yankees is anyone living north of Jacksonville, by the way.:rotfl:You never did live in the south.

[Hylander_1314]

R R,

Which Jacksonville?

[Rockin Robbins]

Florida of course! All those others are imposters of the original (even if it wasn't first:rotfl and I think southernmost Jacksonville. If you live in Fernandina Beach you get to be a Reb by special exception... but all others are Yankees!

A friend of mine from Jacksonville is a Civil War reenactor. He's switched to the Yankees too (traitor!) because just about everybody who does Civil War reenactments is from former Rebel ("the Civil War warn't bout slavery, it was bout states' rights!" Reply, "Yeah, states' rights to have slavery...:rotfl states. As a Yank he actually got to take part in the battles. As a Reb he got to sit around all day in the reserves.

Can't even keep a pretend traitor loyal. What's this darn world coming to???

[Hylander_1314]

Been down that way a few times. Really liked it down there. Nice folks, and a real laid back atmosphere in the small towns. I like that better than the hussle and bussle of the big city. But I had to get back to mountains of Colorado, and I now really yearn for the waters of Huron and Superior where i originally came from.

[Rockin Robbins]

Yeah, in Florida rocks are against the law and we measure ant hills to find the highest elevation in the county. On the gulf coast near Tampa the ground is so level that if the ocean rises a foot, it can move over a mile inland. I'm not saying we're completely flat but people do play a lot of billiards on us.

Volusia County, Mosquito County until the dad blamed Democrats renamed it in the 1920's, is the sharkbite capital of the freakin' world! We're proud. I'd do a Rebel yell, but I don't know how.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

What a crock of well-worn falsities. Where I live is nowhere near what you describe. Go to Birmingham, Alabama or Orlando, Florida and say that. Your characterization of the south is purposefully inaccurate, laughable even.

Well with such a foolish knee jerk response I don't doubt for a minute you are in fact from FloriDUH. Why would I go to any of those dumps? I don't feel like going back in time, thank you. You need to stop attacking liberals and go learn spanish, because it's becomming the official language of FloriDUH. You can deny it if you want. I was even eating at Ruby Tuesday's in Lynchburg VA and saw Jerry Fallwell stuffing his fat face.

As for the snowbirds, well those are the ones who failed up north making their fortune and can't afford anything better than FloriDUH. Yes, retirement in Palm Springs is considered a failure by northern standards.

[LiveGoat]

Sounds like the OP is ashamed of his lineage. What happened between the early 90's and now to make liberals into such elitist snobs? This didn't used to be the norm.

I used to behave the same way. I couldn't wait to get out of Ohio (my family is from the south and we used to spend a lot of time there). I eventually made it to New York. I'm still fairly liberal but I don't associate much with the people here unless it's business related. I work in the theatre and film community here and believe me, the snobbery is thick as molasses. Anybody from outside of Manhattan (or the GOOD parts of Brooklyn) is a hick. They're mostly white and only have friends of color who are cool (i.e. wealthy or connected). Someone asked me where I worked for a day job and I said the Bronx and they looked at me like I said the sewers. They don't like religious people here, either unless it's something exotic that they can fetishize. Jews are okay if they wear baseball caps and act like Jerry Seinfeld but wo be to the one who wears a yamulka or (G-d forbid) look Hasidic.

All they do is talk about how screwed up everybody else is while holding wine glasses or lattes and never actually do anything. My favorite time of year is tax time, when they all scramble to get out of paying "their fair share". They bitch all year about how they're proud to pay taxes and would pay more if they could but about 2 weeks before the deadline, all I overhear at bars, restaurants and parties is people trading accountant recommendations as if they were acupunture therapists.

And yet I continue living here. Why? I love it here. There are good people here just like in Ohio, just like in the South. And come to think of it. I wouldn't be here if my white trash, unsophisticated,not-having-anything-to-do-with-the-theatre parents didn't slave away at their respective crappy jobs.

Originally Posted by LiveGoat

Sounds like the OP is ashamed of his lineage. What happened between the early 90's and now to make liberals into such elitist snobs? This didn't used to be the norm.

I hear you man. I will never be "one of them", they won't give you the time of day if you aren't at least in a BMW. Thing is though, it still beats the southern family screaming along with Bill O'reilly gorging on meat all night.

Personally I would rather be a slave up here in heaven than a king down there in hell. Being a nobody liberal up here is worth more than being a somebody in the south.

[Kapt Z]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

What a crock of well-worn falsities. Where I live is nowhere near what you describe. Go to Birmingham, Alabama or Orlando, Florida and say that. Your characterization of the south is purposefully inaccurate, laughable even. Even your straw man pitting of north and south is ludicrous, considering that half of New York is living in Palm Coast, Florida. Why? Because it was their lifetime ambition, that's why!

People don't move out of paradise to live in hell. So you've got it very wrong, pal. The entire country is moving to the sun belt for some very good reasons. This will make the Yankee states, like Virginia, a better place to live by easing their overpopulation. Yankees is anyone living north of Jacksonville, by the way.:rotfl:You never did live in the south.

Neither do you. Florida is New Jersey with a sunburn and a Medicaid card.