stock v1.5 issues that need fixing

This thread is for issues with the unmodded stock v1.5 game that need to be fixed.

The goal is to create a stand alone "Game Fixes Only" mod that will contain all the needed fixes so the game gets all the needed fixes but stays mostly stock. Some mods contain fixes for things but also contain other stuff to mod the game so i will try my best to take out just the fixes from those mods.

look over these lists and give it some thought, if i missed anything please let me know.

stand alone fixes or mods that contain fixes for the stock v1.5 game:

UBM Mission Pack by syxx killer (i consider no stock missions to be a needed fix)
websters ship draft fix (corrects the draft heights on ships and subs)
Fix US Torpedo Bombers by Anvart (fixes the inaccurate US torpedo bombers)
smaller sea plants by capt cox (the smallest size version)
smaller sea bed rocks by capt cox (the smallest size version)
Historical Prop Rotation Mod by captain america and skwasjer (fixes shape and spin direction)
Photo_Recon_Fix by dgrayson (fixes the bad Photo Recon missions)
U.S. Medals Fix by CapnScurvy (fixes the way awards are presented in the game)
Minor FIX - 2 Missing speech sound files by ATR-42 (fixes missing sounds)
Authentic Plane Sounds by AOTD MadMax (fixes unrealistic plane sounds)
New Map Labels v1.3 by jace 11 (accurately ads 75+ missing labels to the map)
Corrected German Flak sights by akdavis (fixes off target german AA gunsights)
20mm Gun Sight Mod by Krishna (fixes the "too close" view and calibrates gunsight)
German torpedo fix for UBM stock by RFB Team (fixes overly excessive number of duds)
U-BOAT no hydrophone on surface by kapitan zur see (hydrophone will now no longer work on surface)
interior damage effects by vickers03 (fixes forever leaking pipes in fleet boats)
sobers better crew II by sober (watch crew spot targets at greater distances)
AI Sen Toku by miner1436 (fixes the unsinkable sub issue and ads them to AI in game)
SD Radar antenna fix by Anvart (raise and lower a working SD Radar)
Kakemann and Lurker_hlb3 Destroyer sensors and radar FIX (fixes american DD sensors and radar)
IJN Depth Charges Y-thrower fix by tater (fixes the YGun which has always been broken)
Interior guages fix by aanker (fixes the none working guages on subs)
600' depth guage for balao by aanker (balao sub now has the proper 600' depth guage)
Rotation and Position Fix for German KDB by tater (fixes wrong direction of rotation)
Uboat Conning Tower fix by zeewolf (re-mapping and mesh repair)
IJN BB Kongo texture and damage fix by zeewolf (fixes textures, 3D damage model, and new 3d mesh components)
shell splash visable at long distance fix by jmardlin (large shells splash now visable at longer distance)
mast height and range dial fix for US TDC by ottos (allows you to adjust target range and mast height)
s-class sound fix by vickers03 (fixes a glitch in the TRM / s-class interior sounds)
IJN BB Nagato and IJN CA Myoko missing ships fix by AOTD MadMax (adds two new ships to the game)
Better Free Camera Views by WEBSTER (lets you get up to same height as planes fly)
Better Air Patrols by WEBSTER (reduces the large number of aircraft but it increases pilot skill)



issues not addressed by any mod, yet still need to be fixed in the stock v1.5 game:

give s-boats the proper 50 cal AA gun instead of the 20mm (info here about lost mod)
stop the way ships can stop and start on a dime like motorcycles (info here)
ship to ship collisions should do much more damage to both ships
"biskaya kreuz" shouldn't be visible underwater, same for the UZO
Missing key commands (weather report etc)
create GHG blind spot between 340 and 020 degrees
GHG and Balkon Gerat can pick up contacts at ~25km while at 20knots surfaced in bad weather
items are reported as repaired even when destroyed (i think its hard coded but i will look at it)
destroyed items should clearly show as destroyed instead of that silly "I"
Surface radar still gives contacts even after it has been turned off
SV Radar does not provide contacts
make warships signal lights stop blinking after the ship has been sunk
make ship flags invisable underwater after the ship has been sunk
lights shining through objects (i think its hard coded but i will look at it)

NOTE: As we all know the damage models for ships in the game are horrible, many ships have missing and incomplete damage zones that effect how or if they appear damaged and how they sink. on some ships you cannot disable or stop the engines even if you destroy the entire engine compartment. these issues would require missing damage zones to be created from scratch and in some cases the entire damage model for some ships would need to be redone. because of the major amount of work and skill level required to do this and because it requires that you fix each and every single ship in the game i will not even try to address that issue with this mod.

[Mikhayl]

It's difficult to draw a line between "issues" and "things that could be enhanced". Some people started "fixing things" and ended up with a 1.5GB supermod

anyway, in sensors.dat, sim, etc, for german boats :
-wrong axis of rotation for german KDB hydrophone (model needs to be turned 90° in a 3D studio and reimported)
-hydrophones can "hear" ships when your submarine is surfaced
-"biskaya kreuz" shouldn't be visible underwater, same for the UZO

I'll edit if I think of more :hmm:

[wetwarev7]

Hydrophones rotate 361 degrees, i.e. 359, 360, 000, 001.

Pipes won't stop leaking even after repairs are made.

Various gauges not working in interior views at various stations.

[Lexandro]

Hydrofones working on the surface is not a bug. Sigh, I wish people paid more attention in physics class. Of course they work on the surface, the US boats have the hydrophones on the underside of the boat. If hydrophones didnt work on the surface how do you think destroyers can hear YOU?

However bugs that I myself have encountered;

US crew are bugged, your limited to one officer if you try to recruit.
Boats batteries discharging to quickly
Missing key commands (weather report etc)
Photo Recon missions are bugged
Crew on bridge while underwater
Corrupted savegame issues
Stacking crew results in a CTD, and bugs the crew.
Jelly water/River ripples in the ocean
Japanese depth charges do little or no damage.

Oh and I think its best if everyone sticks to proper "bugs" rather than things like missing dials etc. Dials are nice yes, but not required to play. Some of the more pervasive bugs are more pressing.

Originally Posted by Lexandro

Oh and I think its best if everyone sticks to proper "bugs" rather than things like missing dials etc. Dials are nice yes, but not required to play. Some of the more pervasive bugs are more pressing.

if you are using rfb then that is the reason for weak depth charges, it was done intentionally to be more realistic based on actual effectiveness of damage reports from US subs. i actually think the stock settings may be too strong so somewhere between the two might be better.

yes, i want to mainly concentrate on actual things that are "not working" or effect game play. i would like to address eye candy issues but because of the scope of this mod the eye candy issues will depend on the size of the files required to fix them.

we can all agree the game would need to be completely redone from scratch to fix all the issues with it.

let us concentrate on a list of actual things that have mods to fix them and things that are fixable issues needing to be worked on.

AS REMINDER, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND I AM TALKING ABOUT THE STOCK v1.5 GAME WITHOUT MODS.

[Mikhayl]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

Hydrofones working on the surface is not a bug. Sigh, I wish people paid more attention in physics class. Of course they work on the surface, the US boats have the hydrophones on the underside of the boat. If hydrophones didnt work on the surface how do you think destroyers can hear YOU?

Then care to explain why destroyers can't hear you when you're travelling on the surface ? Think twice

[peabody]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Then care to explain why destroyers can't hear you when you're travelling on the surface ? Think twice

Maybe they can't hear you because their guns are making too much noise blowing you to pieces?:rotfl:

Peabody

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Then care to explain why destroyers can't hear you when you're travelling on the surface ? Think twice

They can and do in RL. Thats my point.

A hydrophone (Greek "hydro" = "water" and "phone" = "sound") is a microphone designed to be used underwater for recording or listening to underwater sound. Most hydrophones are based on a piezoelectric transducer that generates electricity when subjected to a pressure change. Such piezoelectric materials, or transducers can convert a sound signal into an electrical signal since sound is a pressure wave in fluids. Some transducers can also serve as a projector (emitter), but not all have this capability, and may be destroyed if used in such a manner.
A hydrophone can "listen" to sound in air, but will be less sensitive due to its design as having a good acoustic impedance match to water, the denser fluid. Likewise, a microphone can be buried in the ground, or immersed in water if is put in a waterproof container, but will give similarly poor performance due to the similarly bad acoustic impedance match.

[Mikhayl]

"hydrophones" can, yes. U-boat hydrophones can't. A DD has its hydrophones on the keel, that's why it can't hear crap on the surface level. German hydrophones can technically hear things while the boat is surface, but unless the engines are stopped and the sea is mirror like, all you would hear is yourself and the waves, so the fact that you can hear as clearly on the surface + diesel engines as you do submerged + electric engine is a bug. And if you happen to have a KDB, it's located on the deck, so yes hearing propeller noise with it while on the surface is definitely a bug.
Man do I hate it when people brag about "physic class" and the like when it's just about research and reading. Besides dozens of people of NYGM, GWX, WAC and others have been researching exacty that for about 4 years, I guess they all missed physic class as well

[GOZO]

@ Webster and others.

Crew on bridge while underwater

At least that bug can have an explanation. Check this:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=142907


/OB

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

"hydrophones" can, yes. U-boat hydrophones can't. A DD has its hydrophones on the keel, that's why it can't hear crap on the surface level. German hydrophones can technically hear things while the boat is surface, but unless the engines are stopped and the sea is mirror like, all you would hear is yourself and the waves, so the fact that you can hear as clearly on the surface + diesel engines as you do submerged + electric engine is a bug. And if you happen to have a KDB, it's located on the deck, so yes hearing propeller noise with it while on the surface is definitely a bug.
Man do I hate it when people brag about "physic class" and the like when it's just about research and reading. Besides dozens of people of NYGM, GWX, WAC and others have been researching exacty that for about 4 years, I guess they all missed physic class as well

No german boats I've played in Sh4 can hear on the water unless they get the final upgrade which is mounted down on the keel exactly the same as the US boats have from the start. I didnt argue about U-boat hydrophones because they work as intended. Indeed in every patrol I have done prior to gaining the final hydrophone for the Germans I had learned to dive to periscope depth to get the hydrophone head down in to the water.

Engine noise from onboard equipment and machinery from your own boat is always an issue with passive systems. Placement of the head on boats was always as far forwards as possible to try and counter it. The game models this as a 90 degree ark to the rear that blocks sound reception by your machinery. A destroyer on the surface that has "gone dark" can detect a noisey surface contact. Relative to a standard surface ship, a sub on the surface makes little noise, making ranged detection of it on the surface with passive sonar extremely difficlut. In reverse the sub can detect other noisey vessels (such as merchants) easier by relative sound levels. A sub would detect any surface contact via passive asdic/sonar long before a normal surface vessel would.

In particular surface detection by shipping is normally done by Radar and visual means as the sound detection is HIGHLY dependant on the operator of the device, the devices range, and features of the aperatus. The fact that in the game you have a sonar man who is well trained and the Allies have superior sonar technology plays a major factor in those surface detections.

Britain and the US were miles ahead in asdic/sonar technology and radar technology than Germany in WW2. The devices were of a much higher technical level and implementation than the German counterparts. In sofar as the game is modeled if its in the water it can detect surface noise.

There are a plethora of technical details in asdic/sonar transmission & reception that are not modeled in the game. If you would like to know more try here.

Histrorical Naval Ships Association

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

"biskaya kreuz" shouldn't be visible underwater, same for the UZO

Sorry, but it drives me crazy when someone complains about what can or can't be seen underwater as being a problem.

[Mikhayl]

Lexandro, actually that's not quite right, the first German hydrophone, the GHG, has no "head", it's a handful of sensors on the lower hull just behind the torpedo tubes and below the waterline. Still that doesn't mean it was of any use on the surface, same for the later Balkon Gerat, despite it being placed a bit lower : http://www.xs4all.nl/~aobauer/GHG1996.pdf
I was wrong about the on-deck KDB in game, indeed this one can't hear things while surfaced. But both the GHG and Balkon Gerat can pick contacts at ~25km while running at 20knots on the surface in foul weather, and no technical speak can justify that, it's just wrong regardless of what the game models or not.

@Steve, for what it's worth when I play all the fancy cameras are disabled, but I enable them when testing or working on mods and these little things bug me, especially knowing that it's a very quick fix. And hey, you can see the UZO through your periscope when submerged, it's just not right and there's no way you could blame Bernard for that one

[wetwarev7]

I would like to respectfully ask that everyone try to stay on topic here, and that is listing SH4 1.5 Stock bugs.

The OP is trying to do something here, and I would really like to see him succeed.

I'm sure the OP will allow for debate as to what is and is not a bug after he has obtained a list to work with.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Sorry, but it drives me crazy when someone complains about what can or can't be seen underwater as being a problem.

i dont think it was an issue but i included it thinking a simple edit of the visable underwater line would fix it. i have no intention of fixing every minor detail but i will try to do what i can to get all the easy fixes into this mod.

its also worth noting that my skill level is novice to average so a good bit of what will be on the list may not be doable with my skill level, i will need help and imput from others and not everything is fixable.