Next President of the United States

[August]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

If you call for violence in reaction to abortion, you get to go to lunch with President Ford.

And President Reagan.

And President George HW Bush.

I'd be interested in hearing the person or persons you're talking about here.

[August]

Obama supporters are getting scary!

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by August

Obama supporters are getting scary!

Well, he did say that there should be a "civilian defense force" with a budget as high as the militaries*. Maybe that's the beginning of it

* about 16:54

[Hylander_1314]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Well, he did say that there should be a "civilian defense force" with a budget as high as the militaries*. Maybe that's the beginning of it

* about 16:54

Hey DT, aren't we according to the 2nd Ammendment supposed to already have a civilian defence force? I think it was called the malitia. Every able bodied male between 18 and 45 is supposed to meet one weekend a month to drill. Also supply your own firearms, and supplies. If I remember correctly.

[Torps]

Originally Posted by August

Obama supporters are getting scary!

UM Can we say Hitler Youth for Obama?

[Digital_Trucker]

Hylander, not according to this interpretation

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gun...damendment.htm

I believe the military has replaced the civilian militia (except in the case of the militia guarding our Southern borders).

[August]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Hylander, not according to this interpretation

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gun...damendment.htm

I believe the military has replaced the civilian militia (except in the case of the militia guarding our Southern borders).

That site is outdated I believe. I didn't see the recent SC ruling on the DC hand gun ban.

And BTW the military is not the militia and without a constitutional amendment to that effect should not be considered as such.

[Hylander_1314]

Sounds like a lot of hogwash to me. A bunch of commie liberal tree hugger propaganda, except this set of lines,

The Constitution aside, bearing arms is a fundamental human right. It is the only means the American people have to reclaim control of their government, should it one day become irredeemably corrupt.

With the 2nd Ammendment, we at least have the right to stand up in a last great act in defiance in the face of tyranny.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

I believe the military has replaced the civilian militia (except in the case of the militia guarding our Southern borders).

And I believe that idea would have terrified the founders. A standing army was the thing they feared the most. That it has become necessary in the modern world is all the more reason to retain our natural rights - all of them.

Might as well advocate the removal of the Third Amendment, since it is so outdated. After all, when was the last time the Government tried to make you let soldiers stay at your house?

[Digital_Trucker]

Well, the whole thing was brought up by the video showing the "obama youth brigade" and my reference to Obama's call for a civilian defense force with a budget as high as the militarys. Just for the record, I don't necessarily agree with the interpretation that the military replaces the civilian militia. I do ,however, wonder exactly what Obama was calling for and would like to hear an explanation of his statement (from him, of course):hmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Well, the whole thing was brought up by the video showing the "obama youth brigade" and my reference to Obama's call for a civilian defense force with a budget as high as the militarys. Just for the record, I don't necessarily agree with the interpretation that the military replaces the civilian militia. I do ,however, wonder exactly what Obama was calling for and would like to hear an explanation of his statement (from him, of course):hmm:

Great...another speech from the pulpit Heard enough of those, how about something with some real answers and substance? That aspect for Obama is long over due.

[Hylander_1314]

Sounds a lot like the commie extermination armies that were / are used to terrorize the general public. Obama Youth Brigade? Hitler Youth? Hmmmmmmmmmm, I just don't like the idea of it. It's one of those I smell a rat feelings.

But hey, I could be completely off base, but the first thing dear old dad taught me was to never trust, and always question the government, and all the authorities from top to bottom.

One of his favorites was, "When fascism comes to America, it will be draped in the flag, and carrying a cross."

Don't know if this has been brought up, but there is a lot of controversy over it even though it's not making a big splash in the news.
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-134286-obama.html

[Von Tonner]

Tonights debate is probably the most crucial and important event in McCain's political career. With less than 30 days to go he is increasingly finding himself between a rock and a hard place. All Obama has to do is make sure he doesn't fluff a question or have too many "ers" and "ums". McCain on the other hand has to turn the tide on the below polls which would need nothing short of a knock-out punch to Obama tonight. I will be setting my alarm clock as it is an early rise to catch it live.


State Polling Roundup Ohio Polls Split A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports automated poll of 1,000 likely Ohio voters taken October 5 shows McCain leading Obama 48%-47%. An ABC News /Washington Post poll of 891 registered Ohio voters, including 772 likely voters, taken October 3-5 shows Obama leading McCain 51%-43% among registered voters and 51%-45% among likely voters.
Obama Up 7 In Florida A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports automated poll of 1,000 likely Florida voters taken October 5 shows Obama leading McCain 52%-45%.
Obama Up 3 In Missouri A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports automated poll of 1,000 likely Missouri voters taken October 5 shows Obama leading McCain 50%-47%.
Obama Up 6 In Colorado A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports automated poll of 1,000 likely Colorado voters taken October 5 shows Obama leading McCain 51%-45%.
Obama Up In 2 Virginia Polls A SurveyUSA automated poll of 666 likely Virginia voters taken October 4-5 for a group of regional TV stations shows Obama leading McCain 53%-43%. A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports automated poll of 1,000 likely Virginia voters taken October 5 shows Obama leading McCain 50%-48%.
Obama Up 13 In New Hampshire A SurveyUSA automated poll 647 likely New Hampshire voters taken October 4-5 for WBZ-TV Boston shows Obama leading McCain 53%-40%.
Obama Up 6 In North Carolina A Public Policy Polling (D) survey of 1,202 likely North Carolina voters taken October 4-5 shows Obama leading McCain 50%-44%.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Tonights debate is probably the most crucial and important event in McCain's political career. With less than 30 days to go he is increasingly finding himself between a rock and a hard place. All Obama has to do is make sure he doesn't fluff a question or have too many "ers" and "ums". McCain on the other hand has to turn the tide on the below polls which would need nothing short of a knock-out punch to Obama tonight. I will be setting my alarm clock as it is an early rise to catch it live.


State Polling Roundup Ohio Polls Split A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports automated poll of 1,000 likely Ohio voters taken October 5 shows McCain leading Obama 48%-47%. An ABC News /Washington Post poll of 891 registered Ohio voters, including 772 likely voters, taken October 3-5 shows Obama leading McCain 51%-43% among registered voters and 51%-45% among likely voters.
Obama Up 7 In Florida A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports automated poll of 1,000 likely Florida voters taken October 5 shows Obama leading McCain 52%-45%.
Obama Up 3 In Missouri A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports automated poll of 1,000 likely Missouri voters taken October 5 shows Obama leading McCain 50%-47%.
Obama Up 6 In Colorado A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports automated poll of 1,000 likely Colorado voters taken October 5 shows Obama leading McCain 51%-45%.
Obama Up In 2 Virginia Polls A SurveyUSA automated poll of 666 likely Virginia voters taken October 4-5 for a group of regional TV stations shows Obama leading McCain 53%-43%. A Fox News/Rasmussen Reports automated poll of 1,000 likely Virginia voters taken October 5 shows Obama leading McCain 50%-48%.
Obama Up 13 In New Hampshire A SurveyUSA automated poll 647 likely New Hampshire voters taken October 4-5 for WBZ-TV Boston shows Obama leading McCain 53%-40%.
Obama Up 6 In North Carolina A Public Policy Polling (D) survey of 1,202 likely North Carolina voters taken October 4-5 shows Obama leading McCain 50%-44%.

A lot can happen in 30 days. A lot can happen in 30 seconds. Just watch a football game. It is not over yet. As of late, the Obama skeletons are coming out of the closet. Perhaps the big guns are being pulled out by the McCain campaign? I'm thinking yes. You watch, Palin is going to be the attack dog that VP's are supposed to be. She started this weekend. I find it odd that Rezko will not be arraigned until after the election. Does he know something? McCain/Palin just need to leave that taste of doubt in the voters minds. Hell, some still think Obama took the oath of office on the Koran. Now these very same folks hear he started his political career in a domestic terrorist livingroom. Some reports say America knows this already. I did not know this until yesterday. So, Obama was courting a known domestic terrorist that not only talked about bombing but actually carried it out. He got off on a technicality. Will Obama court other terrorists with big hugs from the White House. Bubba the beer drinker will not like that at all. The big gun of the Rev Wright debacle is not over yet either. Welcome to old age and treachery. There is a good possibility it will win out again.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by August

I'd be interested in hearing the person or persons you're talking about here.

Francis Schaeffer.

Do you think that Obama believes in the same things the Ayers does? And if so, are they Ayers ideas of the 2000's, when he was in contact with Obama, or are they the ideas of the 1970's, when Obama was eight years old?

An open question. What effect have Obama's interactions with Ayers had upon his political beliefs?
Surely this is the question that needs answering, not vague mumblings about "associations".