V.P. Debate poll

[UnderseaLcpl]

Somehow, we have confused the idea that political aptitude has anything to do with political success. Palin wins by holding her own, more or less. Period.

Watch as the McCain-Palin ticket locks up a large portion of the swing vote (read ,female vote) and goes on to win in November. Short of a liberal media rally that somehow dienfranchises female voters, I don't see any hope of victory for Obama.

The main problem that Obama faces lies in the fact that women are an important liberal demographic. Therefore, a female vote for the McCain ticket is not +1 vote for the Republicans, but rather, -1 vote for the Dems +1 vote for the Republicans.
Couple that with the relatively high voter turnout of Republicans versus the relatively low turnout of Dems and you have a Republican victory.

Next, factor in that Obama is black. There are a lot of trailer-park democrats who won't vote for him just because of that, civil rights be damned. Even if they won't say it quite like that.

McCain-Palin is the winner in '08. Best start debating what that entails rather than who will win.

Question me if you like but expect to see this post quoted, by me, in November.

I don't like it, and I don't like the alternative, but that's how it is.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Somehow, we have confused the idea that political aptitude has anything to do with political success. Palin wins by holding her own, more or less. Period.

Watch as the McCain-Palin ticket locks up a large portion of the swing vote (read ,female vote) and goes on to win in November. Short of a liberal media rally that somehow dienfranchises female voters, I don't see any hope of victory for Obama.

The main problem that Obama faces lies in the fact that women are an important liberal demographic. Therefore, a female vote for the McCain ticket is not +1 vote for the Republicans, but rather, -1 vote for the Dems +1 vote for the Republicans.
Couple that with the relatively high voter turnout of Republicans versus the relatively low turnout of Dems and you have a Republican victory.

Next, factor in that Obama is black. There are a lot of trailer-park democrats who won't vote for him just because of that, civil rights be damned. Even if they won't say it quite like that.

McCain-Palin is the winner in '08. Best start debating what that entails rather than who will win.

Question me if you like but expect to see this post quoted, by me, in November.

I don't like it, and I don't like the alternative, but that's how it is.

I don't see it that way. Clearly, the momentum has shifted back to Obama, and McCain has all but abandoned Michigan to concentrate in states that are more 'winable'. The fiasco on Wall Street and McCain's playing around with campaign suspension has burned him, and has forced the campaign to be on the defensive for the time being. I also don't buy the theory women are going to flock to the polls in record numbers to vote for Palin. That's akin to claiming that every Navy vet is going to instantly support McCain. Now, plenty of things can happen in October, but at this stage, I see the Obama campaign as having the clear advantage.

Neither VP candidate tripped over themselves. This was good for both campaigns, but McCain/Palin had the greatest benefit, as Palin held up well enough that she won't be seen as a detriment by the public. She still may not be a particularly strong asset, and I don't think you'll see much of her from this point on unless she is on McCain's hip.

[mookiemookie]

If Sarah Palin not making a complete idiot out of herself is seen as a "win" by the Republicans, then the standard that we hold our politicians to has reached a new low.

Biden wasn't spectacular...he had his moments (tearing up about his family, the "not a maverick" rant) but Palin was atrocious. Sticking to canned, generic answers and talking points anytime a question was posed that she hadn't the slightest clue of how to answer is not a success. It shows that she can read notecards and memorize slogans.

If that's confidence inspiring in people, then that's scary.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Biden wasn't spectacular...he had his moments (tearing up about his family, the "not a maverick" rant) but Palin was atrocious. Sticking to canned, generic answers and talking points anytime a question was posed that she hadn't the slightest clue of how to answer is not a success. It shows that she can read notecards and memorize slogans.

I disagree. Palin's performance was not a home run, but it was hardly atrocious by any standard. The only thing that any politician is going to say will be phrased as a slogan. It's all they do. Palin is no different than Biden, McCain, Obama, Bush 43, Bush 41, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy any everybody else. All we have ever gotten from any of them are generic answers.

I see it this way: No, Palin did not 'win', persay. She did not convince the populace to turn for her ticket. However, Biden had the opportunity to deliver the knockout punch on Thursday evening. Palin was reeling after several disasterous interviews. McCain was, and still is, in trouble over the financial mess. Had Palin faltered, or Biden really took it to her, the campaign, for all intents, could have ended that night. Biden was tentative in his direct rebuttal, and Palin, for her part, got through the evening without sustaining any bumps and bruises, so the McCain campaign lives to fight another day.

[Zachstar]

A tiny win for Biden....

Mainly because Sarah was not Politically slaughtered during the debate. That alone put her in the ballpark.

Yet he had overall better command of the facts and better command of his positions. And the "That is a bridge to nowhere" was the statement that pushed him into the lead.

[SteamWake]

I guess the fact that Biden flat out lied at least a half dozen times is overlooked.

Oh well.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

I guess the fact that Biden flat out lied at least a half dozen times is overlooked.

Oh well.

My sentiments exactly. And harping about deregulation when he voted for it isn't exactly brilliant either.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I'm not sure that I understand your post, do you think that women will vote for McCain just because of Palin ?

Yes, but allow me to qualify that.

Many will. Not all of course. But even if we supposed that a relatively small number of women voted for McCain because of Palin, this would be very damaging to the Democratic cause.

There are a lot of female Hillary supporters that have switched sides because of the Palin nomination.

Naturally, this is not the only factor, but many factors are working against Obama here.


McCain will win in 08' wait and see.....

[nikimcbee]

The thing that makes me most upset:

ASK THESE 2 PUTZES ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, NOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!



Stop asking about gay marrage, and ask about real issues.

[Digital_Trucker]

That's what happens when you let idiots moderate the "debates" and the moderator chooses the questions.

[Hylander_1314]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

The thing that makes me most upset:

ASK THESE 2 PUTZES ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, NOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!

But we need these people to do jobs Americans won't do!

That would require them to do one of two things, either come clean concerning the issue, and give a reasonable responce, or lie and show their true colors, which I'm guessing is lobbyist, and special interest money green.

[Tchocky]

Katie Couric: What do you think is the best and worst thing that Dick Cheney has done as vice president?

Joe Biden: I'm not being a wise guy here ... that I don't know what he's done. I mean, there's not many things I'd pick that I thought he's done that have been good. But I admire his strength. I admire his willingness to take positions that are completely contrary to popular opinion. But I think that what he's done has been just, I don't think Dick Cheney trusts that the American people can make judgments that are in the interest of the country. But the thing I think he's really, really has done: I think he's done more harm than any other single high elected official in memory in terms of shredding the constitution. You know, condoning torture, pushing torture as a policy. This idea of a unitary executive, meaning the Congress and the people have no power in a time of war, and the president controls everything. I don't have any animus toward Dick Cheney but I really do think his attitude about the constitution and the prosecution of this war has been absolutely wrong.

Sarah Palin: Worst thing, I guess that would have been the duck-hunting accident, where you know, that was an accident. And that I think that was made into a caricature of him. And that was kind of unfortunate.

So, the best thing though, he's shown support, along with George W. Bush, of our troops. And I've been there when George Bush has spoken to families of those who have suffered greatly, those who are serving in the military. I've been there when President Bush has embraced those families and expressed the concern and the sympathy speaking for all of America in those times. And for Dick Cheney to have supported that effort of George Bush's. I respect that.

heh heh.

[Skybird]

I saw excerpts of it meanwhile. Terrible. What a humiliation to a political culture.

Palin did not perform as bad as expected, but she certainly performed much worse than Biden. Little schoolgirl that learned her words for the yearly spelling competition well - and was proud of it. I just waited for her starting to hop in place in excitement. No pigtails, though.

I could imagine that many american women who were for Clinton feel offended by McCain's plump expectation to get their vote by throwing something unripe like Palin into the match. She is almost the antithesis to Clinton.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

There are a lot of female Hillary supporters that have switched sides because of the Palin nomination.

As far as I've seen, that really hasn't happened.

Real links and proper thoughts to follow later. Gaming & Booze time now.

[GlobalExplorer]

The intellectual in me says Biden crushed Palin. I was personally inspired by this man, who represents for me the ideal American. If I was an American myself I would go as far that he impressed me more than Obama.

But Sarah Palin did well too! She will snatch a lot of votes from womanfolk who identity with her. I was always reminded her way of dealing with the audience like she was a very popular mother/teacher talking to boys, age 6-12, and how other mothers would love her for that ability. She even blinked an eye at times.

So yeah, on the emotional side, she really did quite well, and that counts with a lot of people. She also managed to fix a lot of broken dishes by not sounding like a dangerous conservative anymore, if that already qualifies her for the office is not mine to decide, but yesterday she didnt scare people.

She returned to the status of a regular candiate, and not the laughing stock she used to be. But it's entirely possible that it will all come back in a few days if she has to answer direct questions again in normal interviews.