V.P. Debate poll

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

By the way, what's a "nukelar" weapon ?

It's whar they take them leftover nukelar fewell from the nukelar pahr playnt and spin it round and round until it gets dizzy and then they jam it all together in a warhaid on top of one of them thar missiles to blow stuff up.

[SteamWake]

Thats newclur... sheese get it right...

Okay for some fun "Fact checking" yea I know its fox but facts is facts.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...ential-debate/

[Frame57]

IMO Sarah needs to knock off the "Geez, gosh golly " stuff. I too was not impressed by the debate. Really what I would like to see is both candidates Obama and McCain do an address the nation type deal on the TV. Simply present their plans in detail, because that is what we want to know. Not his same old "he voted for this or that", over and over again...

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Frame57

IMO Sarah needs to knock off the "Geez, gosh golly " stuff. I too was not impressed by the debate. Really what I would like to see is both candidates Obama and McCain do an address the nation type deal on the TV. Simply present their plans in detail, because that is what we want to know. Not his same old "he voted for this or that", over and over again...

You dont feel that the candidates past voting records are relevant?

It is repeated over and over again because the average american has the attention span of a gnat on speed.

[nikimcbee]

I watched it and the post debate anaysis on ABC. This part was priceless; very typical . They gave the debate a tie, no naturally, when the score is a tie, you declare Biden the winner.:rotfl:

I thought the debate was all fluff, zero substance. I think they both met their goals: Biden: Mccann=bush and Palin held her ground..


The best I heard was Dennis Miller on Leno last night. Now that was funny! Hopefully it will be on youtube soon. His critisism of obama was spot on and really funny.

[DeepIron]

Nah... it's "new clear"... Avon's new face cream for politicians who constantly have egg on their face...

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

You dont feel that the candidates past voting records are relevant?

It is repeated over and over again because the average american has the attention span of a gnat on speed.

I think what he was referring to was listening to them TALK about their voting records. It's funny that they try to infer all kinds of things knowing that the average person won't check them on it. Like Biden and deregulation. And who gets the most campaign contributions from who. It's all out there to see if you look hard enough, but most people just take what's said as fact.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Frame57

IMO Sarah needs to knock off the "Geez, gosh golly " stuff. I too was not impressed by the debate. Really what I would like to see is both candidates Obama and McCain do an address the nation type deal on the TV. Simply present their plans in detail, because that is what we want to know. Not his same old "he voted for this or that", over and over again...

Yeah, this blame game stuff is lame. George Bush stomps kittens and John Mccann will stomp kittens too.

Althought Palin had a really bad gaffe when she kept talking about General McCleallan.

If Iwas mccan/palin, I would attack all of obama's "present" votes . Every issue, every time he voted present. i suppose no one is interested in the Rezko stuff

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Yeah, this blame game stuff is lame. George Bush stomps kittens and John Mccann will stomp kittens too.

Althought Palin had a really bad gaffe when she kept talking about General McCleallan.

If Iwas mccan/palin, I would attack all of obama's "present" votes . Every issue, every time he voted present. i suppose no one is interested in the Rezko stuff

Indeed.
IMO, McCain tries to run a 'honorable' campaign. Instead of going out and confront Obama and Biden directly, he is fighting with one hand tied behind his back. It seems to me, that McCain is sacrificing the Presidency and the future of the USA on the altar of his personal honor. I might be wrong, but that's how I see it.

[Sailor Steve]

'Honorable'? Really. In the last election whenever the Democrats would complain about the Swift Boat ads, I was quick to bring up the fact that their side compared Bush to Hitler long before that.

But this time? McCain's intense attacks started right at the beginning. I lost any respect for him as a candidate right then.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

'Honorable'? Really. In the last election whenever the Democrats would complain about the Swift Boat ads, I was quick to bring up the fact that their side compared Bush to Hitler long before that.

But this time? McCain's intense attacks started right at the beginning. I lost any respect for him as a candidate right then.

Honorable in McCains own view.. that's why I put it in ' '

[UnderseaLcpl]

Somehow, we have confused the idea that political aptitude has anything to do with political success. Palin wins by holding her own, more or less. Period.

Watch as the McCain-Palin ticket locks up a large portion of the swing vote (read ,female vote) and goes on to win in November. Short of a liberal media rally that somehow dienfranchises female voters, I don't see any hope of victory for Obama.

The main problem that Obama faces lies in the fact that women are an important liberal demographic. Therefore, a female vote for the McCain ticket is not +1 vote for the Republicans, but rather, -1 vote for the Dems +1 vote for the Republicans.
Couple that with the relatively high voter turnout of Republicans versus the relatively low turnout of Dems and you have a Republican victory.

Next, factor in that Obama is black. There are a lot of trailer-park democrats who won't vote for him just because of that, civil rights be damned. Even if they won't say it quite like that.

McCain-Palin is the winner in '08. Best start debating what that entails rather than who will win.

Question me if you like but expect to see this post quoted, by me, in November.

I don't like it, and I don't like the alternative, but that's how it is.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Somehow, we have confused the idea that political aptitude has anything to do with political success. Palin wins by holding her own, more or less. Period.

Watch as the McCain-Palin ticket locks up a large portion of the swing vote (read ,female vote) and goes on to win in November. Short of a liberal media rally that somehow dienfranchises female voters, I don't see any hope of victory for Obama.

The main problem that Obama faces lies in the fact that women are an important liberal demographic. Therefore, a female vote for the McCain ticket is not +1 vote for the Republicans, but rather, -1 vote for the Dems +1 vote for the Republicans.
Couple that with the relatively high voter turnout of Republicans versus the relatively low turnout of Dems and you have a Republican victory.

Next, factor in that Obama is black. There are a lot of trailer-park democrats who won't vote for him just because of that, civil rights be damned. Even if they won't say it quite like that.

McCain-Palin is the winner in '08. Best start debating what that entails rather than who will win.

Question me if you like but expect to see this post quoted, by me, in November.

I don't like it, and I don't like the alternative, but that's how it is.

I don't see it that way. Clearly, the momentum has shifted back to Obama, and McCain has all but abandoned Michigan to concentrate in states that are more 'winable'. The fiasco on Wall Street and McCain's playing around with campaign suspension has burned him, and has forced the campaign to be on the defensive for the time being. I also don't buy the theory women are going to flock to the polls in record numbers to vote for Palin. That's akin to claiming that every Navy vet is going to instantly support McCain. Now, plenty of things can happen in October, but at this stage, I see the Obama campaign as having the clear advantage.

Neither VP candidate tripped over themselves. This was good for both campaigns, but McCain/Palin had the greatest benefit, as Palin held up well enough that she won't be seen as a detriment by the public. She still may not be a particularly strong asset, and I don't think you'll see much of her from this point on unless she is on McCain's hip.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

I'm not sure that I understand your post, do you think that women will vote for McCain just because of Palin ?

Yes, but allow me to qualify that.

Many will. Not all of course. But even if we supposed that a relatively small number of women voted for McCain because of Palin, this would be very damaging to the Democratic cause.

There are a lot of female Hillary supporters that have switched sides because of the Palin nomination.

Naturally, this is not the only factor, but many factors are working against Obama here.


McCain will win in 08' wait and see.....

[GlobalExplorer]

The intellectual in me says Biden crushed Palin. I was personally inspired by this man, who represents for me the ideal American. If I was an American myself I would go as far that he impressed me more than Obama.

But Sarah Palin did well too! She will snatch a lot of votes from womanfolk who identity with her. I was always reminded her way of dealing with the audience like she was a very popular mother/teacher talking to boys, age 6-12, and how other mothers would love her for that ability. She even blinked an eye at times.

So yeah, on the emotional side, she really did quite well, and that counts with a lot of people. She also managed to fix a lot of broken dishes by not sounding like a dangerous conservative anymore, if that already qualifies her for the office is not mine to decide, but yesterday she didnt scare people.

She returned to the status of a regular candiate, and not the laughing stock she used to be. But it's entirely possible that it will all come back in a few days if she has to answer direct questions again in normal interviews.