300,000 tons and counting.

[Quillan]

We know you're not lying. "Ridiculously high" is compared to realistic totals for that era. Look at the other names on the total tonnage list; those are the stars of the US Navy Submarine force, and you're blowing them away.

As you make the game harder, the tonnage you'll sink goes down. Playing Trigger Maru Overhauled, Run Silent Run Deep, at 100% realism, I'm ecstatic if I sink 20k tons in a single patrol. Even this is far higher than real WWII patrols got. However, what RR is saying is not to jump right in to the max difficulty, because it will probably be extremely frustrating if you do. You'll learn how to approach and attack the enemy this way, then you can apply those skills when you crank the difficulty up. Once you're satisfied you can handle this, give manual targeting a try. Once you've learned that, pick up RSRD. Then when you've got a feeling for how that changes the campaign, give TMO or RFB a try. It'll be a vast difference.

[SteamWake]

He is single handedly sinking as much tonnage as the entire fleet !

Hey its a game play it at 0% realisim and sink 1 million tons if you want. Have fun

[Sandman_28054]

You know, I was a member of the Steel Sharks clan playing SH3 with their mods installed and after only three missions, I was well over 100,000 tons.

I've only had this game (SH4) for two weeks, it was a birthday present. I play it at the same settings as SH3.

And excues me, I did make another mistake, I have taken command of a 1943 "Balao" Class sub. (On p. 48 of the SH4 book)

And I get faulted.

Well...if you play it with this mod, that won't happen.

Well...if you look at the list, that is representive of what happened in RL.

Well...if you had manual targeting, that wouldn't happen.

I'm sorry guys that I don't quite measure up to your standards.

I'll quit posting this sort of stuff.

My apologies.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Sandman_28054

I'll quit posting this sort of stuff.

My apologies.

Meh dont take all this too seriously.

Sometimes folks tend to lose sight of the fact that this is more of a game than a simulator.

Mod to your taste and have fun.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Sandman_28054

I'm sorry guys that I don't quite measure up to your standards.

There's your first mistake right there: assuming anyone around here has standards!
:rotfl:

Don't apologize. And don't stop posting.

This may sound weird, but I'm going to be honest and I'm going to be rude, and I don't want you to take it wrong way.

I don't play at 100% (yet), but I try to play in a manner that I think is realistic and makes me feel like I'm really there. That's just me. I'm not really there, I just like to pretend.

I get angry when someone who is not playing at 100% brags about his huge scores and how good he is. I think if he's going to boast he should at least have something to boast about. That's just me. If you're proud of your gaming ability you should say so. Just don't expect everyone who feels differently to congratulate you.

Bottom line: no matter what you do in life, or even in a game, there are going to be people who think you are doing it wrong. If you talk about how you do it some of them well tell you what they think, and it won't always be pretty. The only people here who have never been criticized are the ones who never post anything other than "I love your mod!" Even Neal himself has received his share of comments. Not many, because he doesn't post all that much.

Some people will say "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!" Meaning if you don't like the comments, just go away. I say if you don't like the comments, learn to live with them; just don't go away. Post what you like, say what you think. Just expect others to do the same.

But that's just me.

[cj95]

Seriously dude.....play at any difficulty you want to.

In the end its for entertainment purposes only and you have to decide whats fun and what is not.


For instance, for me I try to be as realistic as possible with Manual targeting and RFB mods.......howvever at the same time I'll never get rid of external view just for the reason that occasionaly I like to go outside and look at the pretty pictures of my sub sailing by.


If that means I never get to 100% then so be it......I like my pretty submarines. (or my rusty subs as I tend to prefer the S-boats)

[Rockin Robbins]

No anger here at all. And I'm not trying to do your

Well...if you play it with this mod, that won't happen.

Well...if you look at the list, that is representive of what happened in RL.

Well...if you had manual targeting, that wouldn't happen.

I'm sorry guys that I don't quite measure up to your standards.

thing.

Actually, you are reading our posts entirely wrong. I am saying that you with three weeks' experience are single-handedly outperforming the entire US Submarine fleet of WWII. This is good in that you are accumulating boat handling experience that will stand you in good stead if you want higher challenges later. My main point was that if you were to step up to the realism/challenging gameplay mods now you wouldn't learn anything but that you didn't like to be frustrated.

Playing TMO/RSRD at the end of 1944/beginning of 1945, if you meet a convoy of six merchies protected by six to eight escorts, in your first attack you won't even get to the merchies. Shooting at the escorts is mostly a waste of torpedoes. For someone with three weeks' experience with the game it's just a quick way to die and wonder what happened.

So I'm saying that you're doing the right thing. Learn one thing at a time. Now you're learning boat handling. You haven't learned not to shoot airplanes, that deck guns are great on sampans and next to useless against surface ships unless you have a half hour lollygagging on the surface to kill, that any armed merchant can outshoot you two to one, that escorts can outmaneuver just about any down the throat shot and if you shoot close enough to have a higher probability a miss is fatal for you or any meaningful evasion tactics. There is a whole world of discovery waiting in SH4 that you haven't scratched yet.

I haven't even mentioned manual targeting. For me, manual targeting is the heart and soul of SH4. The exhileration from one tanker sunk with manual targeting is better than 100,000 tons with auto targeting. But the biggest thrill of SH4 is downing a target you've never even laid eyes on with the conventional or Dick O'Kane sonar only techniques. The first time I sank a ship with sonar my wife thought I'd been bit by a scorpion.:rotfl:

Don't be taking our stuff as criticism of you: it's not. We're trying to tell you that this game grows with you to give you challenge and excitement on ever increasing levels as you grow with the game. You know, Dick O'Kane himself started out knowing nothing about submarines when he joined the Navy.

[Digital_Trucker]

My apologies for the Balto joke, too. Was intended to be light-hearted (practically everything I post is intended in this manner). No ill intentions here, either. That's why the was there after the comment.

Steve's right, too, there are no standards or I wouldn't be allowed in

[Seminole]

Originally Posted by cj95

Seriously dude.....play at any difficulty you want to.

Ahmen!..this I'm holier than thou because I don't use the extern camera stuff ..is funny as heck at first..but after a couple of years it becomes a bore.


I'm with cj95..its your thing...do what you wanta do...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Seminole

Ahmen!..this I'm holier than thou because I don't use the extern camera stuff ..is funny as heck at first..but after a couple of years it becomes a bore.


I'm with cj95..its your thing...do what you wanta do...

After a couple of years the opposite becomes a bore, too. Sure, play the way you want, even talk about the way you play...but if you're playing on the easy levels, don't be braggin' about how wonderful you are, and expect everybody to say 'Ooh, I wish I was that good!"

And I don't play at 100%, or even 90%. And I've never said I was holier, or better, than anybody. I just think if you're going to brag, have something to brag about.