Is it just me....

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is not about right or wrong....Capital hill is loaded with Republicans and Democrates, including both Obama and McCain who are at fault here. All of them should be pointed at themselves. The articles pointedly pin todays issues on McCain soley. That is not fair play and a crock of crap.

See above post of mine.

That's why I said "right or wrong". As in that doesn't matter, it's going to happen anyways. Just like in any other presidential election; but with Iraq and the economy (and again, I am NOT saying this is exclusively the Republicans' fault. Both parties played a part in getting us where we are, just the Republican's happened to have the Presidency at the time.) going the way they are, it is in Obama's interest and easy for him to pin them on the Repubs/McCain. Which is why, IMO, McCain has to fight a VERY uphill battle.

I know it's not fair play. But when was the last time a presidential election campaign was done"fairly".

PD

[Platapus]

I think it is called campaigning. Both sides will be bringing up the weaknesses of the other candidate. Like any advertisement there will be embellishment and selective historical reporting.

Do you think Obama can win if he goes around saying that McCain is really a pretty good fiscal moderate.

Or McCain winning saying that Obama is bringing new ideas that just might work.


Of course not. That is not how our system of adversarial political parties works.

Obama has to treat McCain like the incumbent (old ideas, continuing bad policy) otherwise he can't get his message of change across. It really does not matter whether McCain supported or did not support the policies of the past administration, Obama will say that he does.

McCain has to treat Obama as radical with untried and risky policy. It does not matter whether Obama is or is not a radical or whether his policies are risky or not, McCain will say that he does.

We call this crap: politics

And we really should not pay all that much attention to it. We have two lying piece of crap politicians willing to say anything to get elected - That's the American way.

It is a fight between two personalities and it will get personal.

In the end, people will vote for whom ever they feel will be better for the job. By this time, I doubt that too many citizens are truly undecided (maybe 5%?)

So let the salesmen say their piece, it is what they get paid for.

[AVGWarhawk]

Nice responses all but:

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama charged on Wednesday that U.S. credit card companies are tricking Americans with deceptive practices and that Republican John McCain has done nothing to stop it.

OK, just what the hell has Obama done about? All of a sudden he wakes up and decides to look at the real issues after what, two years in the Senate. Come on, is this guy really ready for anything?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Nice responses all but:

OK, just what the hell has Obama done about? All of a sudden he wakes up and decides to look at the real issues after what, two years in the Senate. Come on, is this guy really ready for anything?

That works both ways. A. It tells me that John McCain may have done nothing about it, but is he even on those committees?
B. It also tells me that Obama doesn't have any experience in leadership in the Senate, let alone as president, since he hasn't been in DC long enough to do anything either.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

I think it's quite possible an Obama presidency would turn out like JFK's. Full of hope and all that, a few notable foreign policy accomplishments. But not being able to move a damn thing through the House/Senate.

PD

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

I think it's quite possible an Obama presidency would turn out like JFK's. Full of hope and all that, a few notable foreign policy accomplishments. But not being able to move a damn thing through the House/Senate.

PD

JFK's term was cut short, no telling where he could have gone or not gone. Shame really not to know what could have become of his presidency if full term was given.

[Tchocky]

Looking at GOP party affiliation and the general trend of voters, I don't see either the House or Senate returning to a significant Republican majority anytime soon.
So if Obama gets the presidency, he'll have a willing legislative branch. For a while, at least.

[McBeck]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

JFK's term was cut short, no telling where he could have gone or not gone. Shame really not to know what could have become of his presidency if full term was given.

What about the cuban misile crisis?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

That works both ways. A. It tells me that John McCain may have done nothing about it, but is he even on those committees?
B. It also tells me that Obama doesn't have any experience in leadership in the Senate, let alone as president, since he hasn't been in DC long enough to do anything either.

-S

The last line of yours is very telling, not of you, but general concensus, "long enough to do anything either" What does the general public believe he will do or can do? I do not understand this phenominon at all. I find it very odd.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The last line of yours is very telling, not of you, but general concensus, "long enough to do anything either" What does the general public believe he will do or can do? I do not understand this phenominon at all. I find it very odd.

That he will do something different than what is currently being done. I think that is what a lot of people want.

PD

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

That he will do something different than what is currently being done. I think that is what a lot of people want.

PD

The problem here PD is the good ole boy network in Washington is alive and well. I do not believe Obama is part of that network. It will take 4 years to change that if it can be changed at all.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The last line of yours is very telling, not of you, but general concensus, "long enough to do anything either" What does the general public believe he will do or can do? I do not understand this phenominon at all. I find it very odd.

I recently heard it put like this in regards to Obama...



Couldn't have put it any better....I think it is going to get old pretty soon to the tactic of trying to lump McCain as some clone of Bush...I think this will backfire on him soon when they begin to debate.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Voters'll probably go for the more qualified candidate who is also a bore. That worked great for Gore. And I hear conditions are ideal for a Republican candidate to win.

Like I said, uphill battle for Senator McCain.

PD

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

But when was the last time a presidential election campaign was done"fairly".

I think I can safely point to 1792. Washington vs. nobody.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I think I can safely point to 1792. Washington vs. nobody.

This ^