Another baddie bites the dust in America

[Letum]

Well, jolly good so long as it was self defense and not just New TV/Wireless/cash/goods defense.

How on earth did the intruder get a weapon like that?

oh....wait..

[Platapus]

This is why criminals prefer unarmed citizens.

Even though this was clearly self-defense, my sympathies to the home owner and his family. This is not a pleasant thing to go through.

[Letum]

This sends a clear and loud message to criminals!

"Shoot first".

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

This sends a clear and loud message to criminals!

"Shoot first".

He already planned on it. He didn't get the chance. I'd say there was a 99% chance this family would have been murdered, of course after the women had been raped first.

Wake up from your fantasy land already and quit being scared at life. People want to hurt you in this world for no reason. Deal with it.

-S

[August]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

He already planned on it. He didn't get the chance. I'd say there was a 99% chance this family would have been murdered, of course after the women had been raped first.

The armed intruder kicked in the door to a bedroom. I'd have to say you're right Subman.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by August

The armed intruder kicked in the door to a bedroom. I'd have to say you're right Subman.

Haven't you guys figured it out yet.

Letum is an acomplished " baiter " aka a Masturbater

[Sailor Steve]

Oh no guns are evil if you have a gun the bad guys will just take it away and use it on you if you have a gun in the home you will just shoot a neighbor or a family member can't you see guns are evil?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Haven't you guys figured it out yet.

Letum is an acomplished " baiter " aka a Masturbater

Let's not call people names.

The Management

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Letum

This sends a clear and loud message to criminals!

"Shoot first".

I take it your insinuating to criminals that they'd better start killing or be killed, .... as if they weren't already doing so.

Im not sure if this is a cultural difference, or your philsophical thoughts are derived from a sheltered life, but, its common knowledge around here in the US: You don't break into peoples houses.


A persons home has some sanctity to it, you don't enter unless invited. Period.

The only debate i ever see in this subject, is what firearm to use for home defense. I prefer a pump action shotgun. :rotfl:

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The only debate i ever see in this subject, is what firearm to use for home defense. I prefer a pump action shotgun. :rotfl:

The article did not mention what type of rifle the home owner had. There are some rifles that are not so appropriate for home defense (over penetration). Probably would not choose a Remington 700 for home defense unless you have a VERY long hallway

Shotguns are usually a good choice although some may be too ungainly to maneuver in tight quarters. But you can't argue about the result. Even if you miss the noise will stun the intruder. And the nice thing is that it is more difficult to miss with a shotgun than it is with a handgun.

One thing I do recommend is that if anyone keeps a shotgun for protection that they hit the range with it. Shotguns are not like big rifles and believe it or not, it IS possible to miss a human size target at 7 meters (seen it in our indoor range )

You don't want the first time you fire a shotgun to be the time you might need two shots quickly.

I am pondering a question concerning my shotgun (old Remington 12ga pump). Right now I have two pistol grips on it. Makes the recoil a bit harsh but makes it easier to maneuver. I am contemplating upgrading to a top folding stock. I have never used one before. I am not sure the folding stock will give me the stability of a fixed stock. If not, then I wonder if I am still better off with my two pistol grips?

[SUBMAN1]

[quote=Platapus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The article did not mention what type of rifle the home owner had. There are some rifles that are not so appropriate for home defense (over penetration). Probably would not choose a Remington 700 for home defense unless you have a VERY long hallway ...

Only a buffalo rifle. Best rifle is an AR-15 (if you can afford one), or if you have a big budget ($10K), a fully automatic M-16. Penetration of walls is way less than compared to a .45. However, I do keep a .45 near the bed in case I am surprised at night. You probably don't want surprise me at 3 in the morning! Just a warning!

-S

[nikimcbee]

My neighbours were broken into a few years ago (during the daytime). I wish I could have told the police to tell the stupid teenagers that "they were lucky they didn't climb in the other bathroom window." SKS bayonet or butt of 1864 Springfield musket to the head... or Boston Terrier teeth.

[Jimbuna]

[quote=SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Only a buffalo rifle. Best rifle is an AR-15 (if you can afford one), or if you have a big budget ($10K), a fully automatic M-16. Penetration of walls is way less than compared to a .45. However, I do keep a .45 near the bed in case I am surprised at night. You probably don't want surprise me at 3 in the morning! Just a warning!

-S

I'll be sure to phone you and warn you I am calling round for a nice friendly social visit well in advance

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

The article did not mention what type of rifle the home owner had. There are some rifles that are not so appropriate for home defense (over penetration). Probably would not choose a Remington 700 for home defense unless you have a VERY long hallway

Shotguns are usually a good choice although some may be too ungainly to maneuver in tight quarters. But you can't argue about the result. Even if you miss the noise will stun the intruder. And the nice thing is that it is more difficult to miss with a shotgun than it is with a handgun.

One thing I do recommend is that if anyone keeps a shotgun for protection that they hit the range with it. Shotguns are not like big rifles and believe it or not, it IS possible to miss a human size target at 7 meters (seen it in our indoor range )

You don't want the first time you fire a shotgun to be the time you might need two shots quickly.

I am pondering a question concerning my shotgun (old Remington 12ga pump). Right now I have two pistol grips on it. Makes the recoil a bit harsh but makes it easier to maneuver. I am contemplating upgrading to a top folding stock. I have never used one before. I am not sure the folding stock will give me the stability of a fixed stock. If not, then I wonder if I am still better off with my two pistol grips?

I once owned a pistol grip shotgun. Didn't like it. As Niki alludes to, a solid butt stock makes a pretty decent weapon as well.