"Hardliner set for Serbia poll win"

[joea]

Originally Posted by sonar732

I'll add to my post in that the relationship between Serbia and Russia is also some concern with Russia's latest saber rattling. With their conventional status down, they came out recently with the statement of using nukes whenever their allies, or Russia themselves, are attacked.

Hmmm which is just like NATO reserving all options, including nuclear, in the case of a Warsaw Pact conventional attack. This when the Soviets had massive conventional superiority.

[Dmitry Markov]

Being Russian citizen I only care for our foreign politics expences to be quite balanced. During CCCP times our government spent more funds on our allies than on ourselves. I still remember myself collecting pencils and erasers for "schoolchildren of Nikaragua" while it was problem to buy cosmetics for my mum in our own country. Nevertheless I do like Serbs and Serbia and I hope that there would be no foreign soldiers there (KFOR or not...). I also hope that Serbia would stay united.

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by joea

Hmmm which is just like NATO reserving all options, including nuclear, in the case of a Warsaw Pact conventional attack. This when the Soviets had massive conventional superiority.

joea, this is true to a certain extent. However, in the cold war, that type of doctorine was a no brainer. Both sides threatened each other with nucs. We are at a critical time in history in which all nuclear capable countries use that as a trump card and aren't afraid to state it. The US recently quoted it as "all options are on the table", while the Israelis also said the same regarding Iran using any type of nuclear attack. So, of course Russia would follow the example lead by the jewish state and the US.

Regarding Serbia...the only way I see something bad come out of this new election is if the elected nationalist president attacks KFOR soldiers. Unlike the Yugoslav civil war, the UN wouldn't allow it this time. It won't even depend on the nationality because within hours the Security Council will meet and throw out a resolution for use of force, which Russia will veto, and then the KFOR nations would have to react on their own accord. Russia would be pissed at the ability of the council members to ignore their veto and send a few subs to the Med and Adriatic Seas as reminders of what they stated earlier.

Regarding Iran...I'm sure that no matter what type of conflict happens here, Russia will get involved with either troops, nucs, or both. They would see what the armed conflict will do to the world economy regarding oil prices at the start, and defend Iran as a chance to prove they are still capable of projecting their influence. Otherwise, I think the only way that their opinion will sway is if an Islamic Extremist attack is launched within Chetznia with ties to Iran.

As a final note...let's just pray that cooler heads prevail in all world situations and that diplomacy stays firm.

[joea]

I agree sonar, let's pray for cool heads. I hate to say it, but partition may be the only solution.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

partition is only screwing serbia over...

i would take the other solution that the west doesnt want.. the rightful belonging of kosovo that is and always will be serbian, thing is you dont know what lengths serbian people will go to keep kosovo... you will find out if the West, EU and the albanians make the foolish decisions... and now we play the waiting game.. id give it 3-5 weeks max.....

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

... you will find out if the West, EU and the albanians make the foolish decisions... and now we play the waiting game.. id give it 3-5 weeks max.....

Don't tell me your going to pick up your guns again?

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

partition is only screwing serbia over...

i would take the other solution that the west doesnt want.. the rightful belonging of kosovo that is and always will be serbian, thing is you dont know what lengths serbian people will go to keep kosovo... you will find out if the West, EU and the albanians make the foolish decisions... and now we play the waiting game.. id give it 3-5 weeks max.....

The fact is that official resistence is unlikely, it will probably develop to be a nother Northern Ireland type of conflict. And Albanians are in upperhand if that happens.
Just cant believe EU let thing develop like this. They should have pressed the Albanians to except autonomy. If the Serbs would play this wisely they could get Kosovo back without Albanians in the future.

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

partition is only screwing serbia over...

i would take the other solution that the west doesnt want.. the rightful belonging of kosovo that is and always will be serbian, thing is you dont know what lengths serbian people will go to keep kosovo... you will find out if the West, EU and the albanians make the foolish decisions... and now we play the waiting game.. id give it 3-5 weeks max.....

What exactly is Serbia going to lose if Kosovo decides to declaire independance, except for a small geographic area inhabbited overwhelmingly by Albanians who do not wish to be under Serbian government and moreover hate Serbia and Serbians? Why would you want to hold onto that? :hmm:

Sounds like more trouble than its worth to me.

[XabbaRus]

Why do any governments want to hold onto bits of land like this? Serbia isn't unique.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by mrbeast

What exactly is Serbia going to lose if Kosovo decides to declaire independance, except for a small geographic area inhabbited overwhelmingly by Albanians who do not wish to be under Serbian government and moreover hate Serbia and Serbians? Why would you want to hold onto that? :hmm:

Sounds like more trouble than its worth to me.

Are you serious? Would you give up Kent if EU told you to give it up?

[mrbeast]

Think Kosovo and Kent are a little different, so not much of an analogy there.

Plus I don't think its the EU that is trying to break up Serbia think the Kosovan Albanians and the Serbians have done well enough already.

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by mrbeast

What exactly is Serbia going to lose if Kosovo decides to declaire independance, except for a small geographic area inhabbited overwhelmingly by Albanians who do not wish to be under Serbian government and moreover hate Serbia and Serbians? Why would you want to hold onto that? :hmm:

Sounds like more trouble than its worth to me.

It's a matter of national pride mrbeast. If it wasn't for the humanitarian side of KFOR, I wish we weren't there. In fact, when Clinton took over after George Sr...we were lead to believe that our mission in Kosovo would be short lived. That was almost 10 years ago.

[mrbeast]

I think thats all it bolis down to in the end sonar732.

I'm not advocating that countries simply break up and reform at will, but after all the blood shed and destruction and now with insinuations that there might be another round of violence in the offing, is the end product worth the investment?

[joea]

Originally Posted by mrbeast

I think thats all it bolis down to in the end sonar732.

I'm not advocating that countries simply break up and reform at will, but after all the blood shed and destruction and now with insinuations that there might be another round of violence in the offing, is the end product worth the investment?

Agree, but the point I think you missed is this was the heart of Medieaval Serbia and of historic importance to Serbs. Of course speaking as a Greek-Canadian who traces his family roots to Cappadocia in Modern turkey I realise history moves on and the Magna Grecea (Greater Greece) idea caused a lot of hardship for Greece and was not worth the blood and pain.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

Don't tell me your going to pick up your guns again?

i might.. not sure yet.. my family back home definetly will.. its not like they have a choice..