Dramatic 911 call from right before shooting released

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

Finally. A story with a true rightful happy ending.

Are you nuts?

Two people dead is a happy ending?!

They definitely did the wrong thing and should have been punished for it, but you know, this is way out of proportion for what they did. I don't neccesarily disagree with taking action and trying to stop the robbery, but 1) to me it seems rather like the guy was trigger-happy; 2) in any case, even if you forgive the shooter, you just can't call this a good and just thing! If this is justice, then we've just established a precedent for lethal penalties for petty crimes - and that's downright dangerous. You know, people really screw up their lives sometimes, but there's no reason why the punishment for them shouldn't offer a chance for rehabilitation afterward. We're sure leaving that option open for them here, huh...

Otherwise, hey, let's just screw this "fair trial" thing and start shooting everyone who does anything remotely illegal! Hardened criminals and stupid kids who got tangled up in a wrong crowd alike. After all, a bag of stuff is more valuable.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Are you nuts?

Two people dead is a happy ending?!

They definitely did the wrong thing and should have been punished for it, but you know, this is way out of proportion for what they did. I don't neccesarily disagree with taking action and trying to stop the robbery, but 1) to me it seems rather like the guy was trigger-happy; 2) in any case, even if you forgive the shooter, you just can't call this a good and just thing! If this is justice, then we've just established a precedent for lethal penalties for petty crimes - and that's downright dangerous. You know, people really screw up their lives sometimes, but there's no reason why the punishment for them shouldn't offer a chance for rehabilitation afterward. We're sure leaving that option open for them here, huh...

Otherwise, hey, let's just screw this "fair trial" thing and start shooting everyone who does anything remotely illegal! Hardened criminals and stupid kids who got tangled up in a wrong crowd alike. After all, a bag of stuff is more valuable.

and what would happen if they stayed alive????, they would go on to kill the stepson, then proceed to commit more crimes later on, try to kill someone or kill someone and you forfit your human rights... thats the way it sould be

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

and what would happen if they stayed alive????, they would go on to kill the stepson, then proceed to commit more crimes later on, try to kill someone or kill someone and you forfit your human rights... thats the way it sould be

1) Where are you getting the idea that they would do more harm if they stayed alive, especially killing someone - that's really a bad, bad assumption. It's imaginable, but not provable in any way.

2) I believe in human rights, but I also believe that some human rights are more important than others. To me the human right to life is more important then the right to property. Property can be replaced or compensated for to a person that lost it; life cannot be replaced and compensation for it will never be more than symbolic. Likewise, I consider modern notions of justice and fair trial to be more important to a healthy society than the supposed "sacredness" of property. A society that lets petty crimes go unpunished is in for trouble and needs more efficient response methods, but a society that values property above life is just rotten.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

1.)
if criminals commit a crime and get away with it , they have a good chance of doing it again..., and they ALMOST killed the grand parent's stepson.... imagine what they would do to their next victim???, shoot to kill, better having no criminals in this world then to let them run off.

2. well did you read the part where they beat the living daylights out of their stepson?? leaving him with severe head trauma, even causing BRAIN DAMAGE...., those criminals automatically lose their rights for attempting to kill the stepson,

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

and what would happen if they stayed alive????, they would go on to kill the stepson, then proceed to commit more crimes later on, try to kill someone or kill someone and you forfit your human rights... thats the way it sould be

Ehm,

what the hell are you talking about?
its about a Neighbour in pasadena Texas shooting 2 burglas as they robbed something

so why the hell do you bring up a case about a homeowner in N.California shooting and killing 2 black people after they beat the stepson and 1 escaped
really elite, what are you talking about?

get your news straight first.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

oops, must have gotten a mixup

between this
http://cbs11tv.com/texaswire/TX--Bur...rces_news_html

and this
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...cle=1&catnum=0

[Yahoshua]

Read the Texas Penal codes 9.41/ 9.42/ 9.43/ and all of 9.51.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/for...16.pdf#page=62


He's in the right to defend his neighbors property as defined in S. 9.43 as he is witnessing the theft of his neighbors property; S. 9.42 also supports his position.

S. 9.51/ 2/ B Is a kicker though. This section allows him to make a Citizen Arrest, but he has to follow the same procedure as all other LEOs' do. Since he wasn't able to make the actual arrest, he's still in the clear as the burglars were attempting to leave the area with the stolen property. But as we have it, Sub S. C of that same code allows for the course of action that Mr. Horn took to be legal.

So two scumbags are gone and we can all go back to our daily lives. There's not much else to it.

[RickC Sniper]

Yes we all know his action was legal.


Where has common sense gone? Let's give storeclerks guns so they can shoot suspected shoplifters right in the shopping mall.

[Yahoshua]

Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

Where has common sense gone? Let's give storeclerks guns so they can shoot suspected shoplifters right in the shopping mall.

Could you define common sense for us? And I certainly wouldn't mind all store clerks being armed (so long as they are properly trained), but shooting on mere suspicion would be illegal.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

and what would happen if they stayed alive????, they would go on to kill the stepson, then proceed to commit more crimes later on

...stepson?

I have a good friend who is now a truly honest gentleman as well as a avid
subsimmer who visits this forum.

In his youth he engaged in petty theft.

He now has a respectable job, a wife and child.

If you could have justifyed shooting my friend as he ran away from a crime scene all
those years ago, then you would have made the world a poorer place. Further more,
there would be little to say against shooting him now.

You can no judge someone on their future actions.


*edit* and what CCIP said.