Problem with Deck Gun

[FAdmiral]

I most always fire the gun myself. The AI gunners just waste too many shells....

JIM

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by FAdmiral

I most always fire the gun myself. The AI gunners just waste too many shells....

JIM

Getting close helps. ALOT

But oh that pesky return fire

[Powerthighs]

From Clear the Bridge by Richard O'Kane, page 325 (my emphasis added):

"The shoot provided a good example for my argument against having a single gun forward, since at one point while we were opening the range, our 4-inch came against the stops short of the conning tower and would not bear. With the slow rate of fire, about seven seconds per round, it was impossible to stay on the yacht for more that one or two hits after Mel had spotted the splashes on, and only eight sure hits were observed."

If O'Kane thought 7 seconds was a slow rate of fire, 2 minutes is way too long between reload times. I know this has been discussed in other threads, but this quote seems pretty definitive to me.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Powerthighs

If O'Kane thought 7 seconds was a slow rate of fire, 2 minutes is way too long between reload times. I know this has been discussed in other threads, but this quote seems pretty definitive to me.

Discussion is being kind

It was more like a rather heated debate.

[jdkbph]

Originally Posted by Powerthighs

If O'Kane thought 7 seconds was a slow rate of fire, 2 minutes is way too long between reload times. I know this has been discussed in other threads, but this quote seems pretty definitive to me.

That's about as QED as it gets.

I read O'Kane's book several times.. the last many years ago unfortunately. but it's funny how some of these things stick with you... more as an impression or "understanding" of what it should be, than as specific sources for reference.

Unfortunately, that doesn't carry many usenet or web board debates.

JD

[Sailor Steve]

In perfect weather, 7 seconds is slow. In 6-foot seas washing over the deck, it's darned fast. The game doesn't know the difference.

Originally Posted by seafarer

Agreed - www.navweaps.com lists the 4"/50 (mark 7 through 10) as having a rate of fire of 8-9 rounds per minute, or one round every 6 to 8 seconds or so. And a type IX u-boat's 105mm (4.1") could put up 10-15 rounds per minute. Of course, ammo feed on a submarine was not as effiecient as surface ships using these same guns, but still...2 minutes

Same thing: all the 'official' ROFs are determined under ideal conditions. A careful study of ALL available combat reports (including the Germans') revealed that the average in-combat rate of fire was one round every 20-25 seconds.

Even the Iowa's 16"/50 guns could do a couple of rounds per minute.

And battleships in combat had an on-target rate of about 7%. Destroyers and submarines, firing at much closer ranges, only averaged about 12% hits. They missed alot, which you never do if you fire the guns yourself.

But I agree, if it's taking two minutes something is wrong. Even Beery's much-complained-about ROF is only 23 seconds.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

They missed alot, which you never do if you fire the guns yourself.

Never is a long time.... Oh lord I suck :p

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Never is a long time.... Oh lord I suck :p

:rotfl: Sorry about that.

Maybe somebody will make a mod...

[seafarer]

Originally Posted by Powerthighs

From Clear the Bridge by Richard O'Kane, page 325 (my emphasis added):

"The shoot provided a good example for my argument against having a single gun forward, since at one point while we were opening the range, our 4-inch came against the stops short of the conning tower and would not bear. With the slow rate of fire, about seven seconds per round, it was impossible to stay on the yacht for more that one or two hits after Mel had spotted the splashes on, and only eight sure hits were observed."

If O'Kane thought 7 seconds was a slow rate of fire, 2 minutes is way too long between reload times. I know this has been discussed in other threads, but this quote seems pretty definitive to me.

Agreed - www.navweaps.com lists the 4"/50 (mark 7 through 10) as having a rate of fire of 8-9 rounds per minute, or one round every 6 to 8 seconds or so. And a type IX u-boat's 105mm (4.1") could put up 10-15 rounds per minute. Of course, ammo feed on a submarine was not as effiecient as surface ships using these same guns, but still...2 minutes

Even the Iowa's 16"/50 guns could do a couple of rounds per minute.

[Captain Vlad]

Originally Posted by FAdmiral

I most always fire the gun myself. The AI gunners just waste too many shells....

It's a hell of a lot more fun that way, too.

I hate the early-war conning towers cuz they screw up the fire arcs on my sampan killers! I LOVE sinking fishing boats with autocannons!