Scapa Flow

UnterseeBoogeyMan · 03-22-07, 11:18 PM

Hi All,

Love this board, love this game. I'm on No-GWX, my 4th patrol heading to AM 32. Thought I'd stop by for a cup of coffee at Scapa Flow, oh sink a capital ship or too and haul out of there. But to my surprise I'm at periscope depth and all of a sudden I go to 0 knots, flooding in the Forward Torpedo room. I look out the periscope slightly below the waterline and there's an underwater wall!! I go to a previous save, try another approach, same thing. Another approach, same thing!

Kudos to those blasted Englishmen! They learned their lesson from Prien in '39! I'm assuming there is NO way in to Scapa Flow by March 1940. I've looked on all the dedicated Newbie threads (which have made life easier for me), Wikipedia, previous threads, nada. Any input on this? I've noticed these walls are always where there seem to be light houses off the shore. There must be a gap somewhere in these walls becuase Corvettes are mving over said troubled areas with no problem. Good Hunting.

TarJak · 03-23-07, 02:51 AM

Try these links. They have some tips that might help you out:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=96843

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=105210

The "walls" are actually anti-submarine nets and were laid to prevent people like you and me from messing up the RN's day.

You said you are no-GWX so I assume you have no mods? If no mods then I don't think the info below will help.

The entrance you should always use for Scapa is the same as Prien. go to the eastern side and manouver around the block ships through one of the narrow channels taht lead into the harbour.

Brag · 03-23-07, 08:05 AM

If it was me, I'd do a 180 and get out of that death trap! Welcome aboard!

Alexdk · 03-23-07, 08:23 AM

The Anti Sub net extends for about 1200m on both sides of the southern enterance. Good way to be sure to avoid it it to use the compas tool and draw a 1.5k circles on both sides of the pass. Then go between and you should get through. Beware that on the north western entrance is mined, so there is only a small gap to escape from. They are formed at angles sort of like this: /
/

They are at the top western entrance. The top field stretches for about 3,2km and the bottom for about 4,6km. So the gap ain't that big.

On an unmodded SHIII there are not so many good targets. until the 4th of Oct 1939 there is an auxilirary crusier and unti the 14th Oct 1939 there is a revenge battleship. Note they are not docked in the harbour, they are anchored in the bay. To located the revenge take the right most tip of the harbour bay (about 1km from the word Scapa Flow) and draw it west for about 3,5km. Then south 2,7km and thats about where the ship should be. Note when its attacked ALL of the patrol destroyers will head to that location. here is a link to a thread I made detail my sinking of the battleship. It may give you some hints. It was done using Grey Wolfs Expansion (GWX) mod but on Stock SHIII it is easier. Once you hit the ship, jsut escape west through the mine field, the destroyers will be looking the wrong way.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108114

Hope this helps some

** SPOILER**
If you want the exact details of the defences you can use the editor.

Alex

UnterseeBoogeyMan · 03-23-07, 10:45 PM

Thanks for the all the help, guys! Since it's March 1940, I'll continue with skirting to the North of the English Isle and take out the shipping. I torpedoed a 7900 ton C3, one hit. It was set to Impact, and 90 degrees to target. It went up like a volcanoe, must have been loaded down with ammo. I'm hoping to go after some capital ships, say a carrier or destroyer. It seems running into those is a roll of the dice. I guess later in the war, carriers are deployed as convoy protection so maybe then. As for now though, the invasion of Norway is a month or two away. Based on my wikipedia reading, the U-boats did some action, I'm hoping my U-54 gets into the thick of it. I just transferred from the 1st to the 7th Flotilla. What can I say, I need new challenges in my virtual life.

Brag · 03-24-07, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnterseeBoogeyMan

Thanks for the all the help, guys! Since it's March 1940, I'll continue with skirting to the North of the English Isle and take out the shipping. I torpedoed a 7900 ton C3, one hit. It was set to Impact, and 90 degrees to target. It went up like a volcanoe, must have been loaded down with ammo. I'm hoping to go after some capital ships, say a carrier or destroyer. It seems running into those is a roll of the dice. I guess later in the war, carriers are deployed as convoy protection so maybe then. As for now though, the invasion of Norway is a month or two away. Based on my wikipedia reading, the U-boats did some action, I'm hoping my U-54 gets into the thick of it. I just transferred from the 1st to the 7th Flotilla. What can I say, I need new challenges in my virtual life.

Hehe--you'll get them :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

robj250 · 03-24-07, 11:06 AM

Has anyone using SH3 ever tried Scapa FLow in the 44's?

Rob

melnibonian · 03-24-07, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robj250

Has anyone using SH3 ever tried Scapa FLow in the 44's?

Rob

No way Rob. After 1943 the British Destroyers get far too good and deadly. It's a huge challenge to try sneaking into a base like Scapa. Feel free to try though and let us know

Good Luck

Jimbuna · 03-24-07, 12:36 PM

The only way in around 44 is by using the german ultimate secret weapon....namely, 'the teleporter' and Hitler has the only one secreted away in his bunker for when Stalin comes knocking in 45

ComradeP · 03-24-07, 01:09 PM

It seems there's at least one (Cobalt's VIIC/41) GWX compatible U-boat that can dive below 300 meters, the theoretical maximum detection range of DD's so it should be possible using hit and hide tactics.

I've never tested crush depths for subs myself, is there a chart somewhere with the crush depths for all subs? If not: which subs can dive below 300 without leaks?

CptGrayWolf · 03-24-07, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The only way in around 44 is by using the german ultimate secret weapon....namely, 'the teleporter' and Hitler has the only one secreted away in his bunker for when Stalin comes knocking in 45

How do you know about 'the teleporter' projekt! Guards take this man away!
The rest of you din't hear nothin...

ComradeP · 03-24-07, 02:03 PM

The only time Hitler was teleported was when he was chronoshifted in Command and Conquer: Red Alert...

Cerberus · 03-24-07, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComradeP

It seems there's at least one (Cobalt's VIIC/41) GWX compatible U-boat that can dive below 300 meters, the theoretical maximum detection range of DD's so it should be possible using hit and hide tactics.

I've never tested crush depths for subs myself, is there a chart somewhere with the crush depths for all subs? If not: which subs can dive below 300 without leaks?

I don't suppose you meant it quite this way, but a dive capability of 300 metres won't help you much in & around Scapa Flow.

Jimbuna · 03-24-07, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComradeP

It seems there's at least one (Cobalt's VIIC/41) GWX compatible U-boat that can dive below 300 meters, the theoretical maximum detection range of DD's so it should be possible using hit and hide tactics.

I've never tested crush depths for subs myself, is there a chart somewhere with the crush depths for all subs? If not: which subs can dive below 300 without leaks?

In GWX....none!!

ComradeP · 03-24-07, 04:20 PM

Quote:

I don't suppose you meant it quite this way, but a dive capability of 300 metres won't help you much in & around Scapa Flow.

If you mean that waters are shallow: yes, but it helps on the way to and from Scapa Flow. Depth charges seem to vanish at roughly 300 meters.

I think I'm going to try a Scapa Flow run in 1944 with an experienced crew in the near future, but I'll start a 1939 career in order to get that experienced crew so it'll be a while before I can post results.

I'm quite a stubborn man, so even if it takes months, I'll keep trying. GWX DD's might be as effective as they were historically in 1944, but they're still ships that can be sunk and evaded. I enjoy a good challenge.

Conveniently, the next computer upgrade that will allow me to run SH IV normally will be in July at the earliest so I'll have plenty of time.

Quote:

In GWX....none!!

What's the next best thing? Surely, there must be a sub that can go to 280 or 290 without a major beating?

03-22-07, 11:18 PM	#1
UnterseeBoogeyMan Ensign Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Land of Cholla Cactus and Red Chile Posts: 224 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Scapa Flow Hi All, Love this board, love this game. I'm on No-GWX, my 4th patrol heading to AM 32. Thought I'd stop by for a cup of coffee at Scapa Flow, oh sink a capital ship or too and haul out of there. But to my surprise I'm at periscope depth and all of a sudden I go to 0 knots, flooding in the Forward Torpedo room. I look out the periscope slightly below the waterline and there's an underwater wall!! I go to a previous save, try another approach, same thing. Another approach, same thing! Kudos to those blasted Englishmen! They learned their lesson from Prien in '39! I'm assuming there is NO way in to Scapa Flow by March 1940. I've looked on all the dedicated Newbie threads (which have made life easier for me), Wikipedia, previous threads, nada. Any input on this? I've noticed these walls are always where there seem to be light houses off the shore. There must be a gap somewhere in these walls becuase Corvettes are mving over said troubled areas with no problem. Good Hunting.

03-23-07, 08:05 AM	#3
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	If it was me, I'd do a 180 and get out of that death trap! Welcome aboard! __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

03-24-07, 12:36 PM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The only way in around 44 is by using the german ultimate secret weapon....namely, 'the teleporter' and Hitler has the only one secreted away in his bunker for when Stalin comes knocking in 45 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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03-23-07, 02:51 AM	#2
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Try these links. They have some tips that might help you out: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=96843 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=105210 The "walls" are actually anti-submarine nets and were laid to prevent people like you and me from messing up the RN's day. You said you are no-GWX so I assume you have no mods? If no mods then I don't think the info below will help. The entrance you should always use for Scapa is the same as Prien. go to the eastern side and manouver around the block ships through one of the narrow channels taht lead into the harbour.

03-23-07, 08:23 AM	#4
Alexdk Seaman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 31 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The Anti Sub net extends for about 1200m on both sides of the southern enterance. Good way to be sure to avoid it it to use the compas tool and draw a 1.5k circles on both sides of the pass. Then go between and you should get through. Beware that on the north western entrance is mined, so there is only a small gap to escape from. They are formed at angles sort of like this: / / They are at the top western entrance. The top field stretches for about 3,2km and the bottom for about 4,6km. So the gap ain't that big. On an unmodded SHIII there are not so many good targets. until the 4th of Oct 1939 there is an auxilirary crusier and unti the 14th Oct 1939 there is a revenge battleship. Note they are not docked in the harbour, they are anchored in the bay. To located the revenge take the right most tip of the harbour bay (about 1km from the word Scapa Flow) and draw it west for about 3,5km. Then south 2,7km and thats about where the ship should be. Note when its attacked ALL of the patrol destroyers will head to that location. here is a link to a thread I made detail my sinking of the battleship. It may give you some hints. It was done using Grey Wolfs Expansion (GWX) mod but on Stock SHIII it is easier. Once you hit the ship, jsut escape west through the mine field, the destroyers will be looking the wrong way. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108114 Hope this helps some SPOILER If you want the exact details of the defences you can use the editor. Alex

03-23-07, 10:45 PM	#5
UnterseeBoogeyMan Ensign Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Land of Cholla Cactus and Red Chile Posts: 224 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the all the help, guys! Since it's March 1940, I'll continue with skirting to the North of the English Isle and take out the shipping. I torpedoed a 7900 ton C3, one hit. It was set to Impact, and 90 degrees to target. It went up like a volcanoe, must have been loaded down with ammo. I'm hoping to go after some capital ships, say a carrier or destroyer. It seems running into those is a roll of the dice. I guess later in the war, carriers are deployed as convoy protection so maybe then. As for now though, the invasion of Norway is a month or two away. Based on my wikipedia reading, the U-boats did some action, I'm hoping my U-54 gets into the thick of it. I just transferred from the 1st to the 7th Flotilla. What can I say, I need new challenges in my virtual life.

03-24-07, 11:06 AM	#7
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Has anyone using SH3 ever tried Scapa FLow in the 44's? Rob

03-24-07, 01:09 PM	#10
ComradeP Seaman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arnhem, Gelderland province, the Netherlands Posts: 40 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It seems there's at least one (Cobalt's VIIC/41) GWX compatible U-boat that can dive below 300 meters, the theoretical maximum detection range of DD's so it should be possible using hit and hide tactics. I've never tested crush depths for subs myself, is there a chart somewhere with the crush depths for all subs? If not: which subs can dive below 300 without leaks?

03-24-07, 02:03 PM	#12
ComradeP Seaman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arnhem, Gelderland province, the Netherlands Posts: 40 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The only time Hitler was teleported was when he was chronoshifted in Command and Conquer: Red Alert...