TMA Legs

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

Your turns should make it harder for opponent, not easier .. I don't get this ..

Perhaps this should make it clear:

CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> we'll baby step into the answer...to make sure you all undestand and appreciate the concept
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> you are in a LAG/BEAM LOS with your target
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> ah without bearign 1 cent max.
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> and your opponent unwittingly beleives that he is going to mess up your TMA be changing course all over that place.....
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> however, he makes a mistake.......
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> he changes the LOS on you from a LAG to a LEAD.....
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> after you already have LAG DATA on TMA
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> now imagine your TMA screen
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> you had a nice bearing fan forming with the LAG LOS
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> now all of a sudden, a new bearing line drops.....and instead of falling where you expected it should, it falls in the middle of the fan
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> everyone picture this?
<LT_Foca_16th> aye
<LTJGWayne69> aye
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> aye
<LTJG_Apollo_3rd> aye
<CDR_Whitey_Mack> i do
<CAPT_CR_7th_FCO_TO> aye
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> ok, now where that new line...and the last line you had (before he changed course to a LEAD) intersect is his approximate new range
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> which is called an ANCHOR RANGE
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> typically, his actual range will be slightly up/down range from the interesection depending on the LOS you were in to begin with
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> so, the instant that he changed course to a lead, he was going 0 knots.....relative....because he had no bearing rate in the LOS
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> for that split second, he was all stop
<LTJG_Apollo_3rd> !
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> diw lol
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> and that new ANCHOR RANGE represents his true range...because he wasn't moving (relative) at that moment...and for a statoinary target, X always marks the spot in TMA
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> right, diw
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> LTJG Apollo
<LTJG_Apollo_3rd> what would happend when he ordered instead of turn his course just to go back emergrncy ?
<LTJG_Apollo_3rd> emergency back without turninmg his sub
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> same thing....why anyone would do that, I have no idea...lol...but same princple...though it would take a little longer to see it on TMA than a turn
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> !
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> remember, TMA is a relative application.....the speeds are relative...not absolute
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> LTJG Nexus
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> in an akula or 688 he would break his TA i think (if extended), in a SW also ?
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> yea, he would..lol
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> both boats
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> a backing bell is not good for the TA....in this game or real life
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> now, ANCHOR RANGE will be discussed in great detail next class....as it is crucial for determining a TARGET ZIG.....
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> however, I thought you guys would like to know of this TMA exploit now
<LTJG_Apollo_3rd> tell us please sir
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> and it yields an interesting point....this is why you only do data legs in the same LOS...(i.e. LAG)...with +/-30 degree course changes
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> you DO NOT what to change LOS to a LEAD on me during combat....
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> no no no no
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> rofl
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> you will give me an interest range to your boat...assuming I don't have it already
<CDR_Whitey_Mack> lol
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> so, the next time you are diving against an opponent, and he changes a LOS to you.....you have his range...
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> you don't have his course....unless your solution was good to begin with
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> and we will discuss that next class
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> but this is a quick way to get range if your opponent makes this very very common mistake
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> so, I have a great question for all of you
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> what if you are in a LEAD with me to begin with....and you know you have to go to a LAG, to get an accurate solution....but you also know that turning will give me your range....WHAT WILL YOU DO?
<CDR_Whitey_Mack> LOL
<CAPT_CR_7th_FCO_TO> lol head directly to your bearing fast lol
<LTJGWayne69> good question
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> mhh
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> think about it.....because it will happen...
<LTJG_Apollo_3rd> !
<CDR_Whitey_Mack> alot
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> LTJG Apollo
<LTJG_Apollo_3rd> in would fier an fish at your possible direction and let you change your course
<LTJG_Apollo_3rd> going fishing
<LTJG_Apollo_3rd> so that i donty need to chnage my course
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> ok..lol...so you are goign to get me to change course
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> anyone else?
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> better thing is to have opp changing course for me
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> ok, so you both will sacrifice the time required to gain an effective firing solution....and wait for me to change course...
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> anyone else?
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> remember, you have NO IDEA what my range is ..... there is no way for you to know that in a LEAD
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> !
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> LTJG Nexus
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> nothing sorry
<LT_Foca_16th> !
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> LT Foca
<LT_Foca_16th> change speed and turn in LAG
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> !
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> aye....it's ultimately up to each of you....but in my opinion (only an opinion), I think it is foolish to wait....I myself, would turn into a LAG immediately...I want a firing solution as quickly as possible
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> and the game is about giving something to take something
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> LTJG NExus
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> i was thinking about changing course going perpendicular to the to the bearing lines enanching distance for 2 min then turn
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> in order to get some LEAD data...then gain some LAG data?
<CDR_Whitey_Mack> CDR BJ, did you explain to them the concept of "PROSECUTION WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE"
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> well, remember...you will have to have 2 minutes of LEAD DATA to begin with....to know that you are in a LEAD
<LTJG_Nexus7_FOO_3rd> in order to produce no crossing lines i thought...
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> lol..getting to that CDR
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> well, a LEAD will have no crossing lines...no bearing fan...as such, you will never get an accurate solution in a LEAD...and as I said...it will take you 4 minutes (two sets of lines) to find you you are in a LEAD...
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> however, you can effectively use LEAD data.....once you are in a LAG...and gaining LAG data
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> all a LAG does is elminate the variables of course and range in TMA
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> narrows down the possibilities for a straight dot stack
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> as CDR WM hinted at though...in response to the qeustion posed earlier
<LT_Foca_16th> !
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> your job...is to prosecute your target with extreme prejeduice.....your job is not to hide and wait to be engaged
<CDR_Blackjack_3rd_CTG2|SOAC-SC> he who achieves an accurate picture of the battefield first is always, ALWAYS, favored to win......because knowledge is power