Muslim uproar - (Merged)

[XabbaRus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5351988.stm

I see the Pope is sorry that muslims haven't understood his words properly. I hope that's as far as it goes. I am damn sure the pope did not go out to deliberately offend Islam.

I see teh Muslim Brotherhood guy is saying it doesn't go far enough Pope should apply in person and that he should apologise for insulting Islam.

[Skybird]

Yes, the pope is said to be sorry for being misunderstood and that he got misinterpreted.

I also feel sorry that he got misunderstood and misinterpreted.

I also say this: Benedict is too smart as that he would not have known what would follow when holding that speech with that quote. Read some of his stuff and realize his way of clear thinking and knowledge, and then tell me that he could have missed this after the muhammad cartoons just gave an example. I think it was intention, a calculated attempt to give Westerners another push to open their eyes and realize the true nature of Islam. And the Islamic world is stupid enough to deliver exactly the reaction that was ordered, by that illustrating, that it indeed does not agree with the pope's conclusion in that speech that religion shall not be spread by the sword, and that violance cannot replace reason and logical persuasive power when advertising religion.

[HMS Utmost]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Party time!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5347876.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5348436.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0,,1873167,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe...lam/index.html
http://www.welt.de/data/2006/09/15/1037631.html
http://www.faz.net/s/Rub28FC768942F34C5B8297CC6E16FFC8B4/Doc~E128628988B514DEC9EB56459FBE8A7BC~ATpl~Ecommon ~Scontent.html

So far, minor or no coverage in those US and French medias that I scan (certainly not all, and Herald Tribune link currently broken). However, Al Jazeera surprisingly is silent about it, too (they have a current headline of Egypt groups wanting to quit treaties with Israel, calling the end of peace treaties "real democracy" for the ME).

Threats from officials of the Turkish government. A parliamentarian resolution from Pakistan. Intimidation from the Egypt Muslim Brotherhood, and the even more "radical" workers party. Self-deception and angry balking from the central commitee of muslims in Germany. Angry comments by the OIC. Mass protests in Kashmir. Rallies along africa'S North, protests in the Me countries, demonstrations in Asian places as well. And more angry official comments from Quatar, India, Indonesia, Algeria...

Of course, it all has been peace and love and truth in Islam history, whereas christianity again is reminded that the crusades were unjustified aggression (against Isamic attack and invasion, which usually is not told), and still live until today, and Islam has been it'S poor, poor victim, and that there are so many lies being told about Islam today, and that Muslims demand this, and demand that, and apologies needed, ans serious concerns, and blablablabla and lots of gobbelgobbelgobbel.

This is the paragraph in original that spiked current emotions. It holds nothing nothing nothing anyone needs to apologize for, and the pope made it clear that he is quoting already existant words anyway.
d, or any other means of threatening a person with death...".

the complete speech in original German words can be found here:
http://www.faz.net/s/RubBF7CD2794CEC4B87B47C719A68C59339/Doc~E13506B0B9C304B269D3CF78C543B2E42~ATpl~Ecommon ~Scontent.html

The English translation here:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...nsburg_en.html

I hope no apology takes place (for what?) Let Islam drown in hysteria again for all world to see it's lying face and selfish, sly self-deception. Time to stop being obedient servants for the interests of Islam. I need a bucket nearby, just in case I can't hold it.

Maybe we should have a yearly championship for Muslim performances of self-deception and mass-hysteria, we could hold it at Monte Carlo and call this festivity a "Hysterial", and award the three highest scoring contributions some kind of an award to show them how much we care and really take them seriously. Little marcipane figures of Muhammad, or a golden box with a set of beer mats with ol' boy's face. [/quote]

Too right mate! I've been saying this all along! There whining whinging is pathetic and at worse totally at odds with what Pope Benedict said. I think a muslims countries control of its people needs addressing if they let this go on.

Whats worse is the liberal left media taking the rightious muslim side in the decrying Christian crusades while totally ignoring what the muslims were actually doing back in those days!
The savage invasions by the armies of Islam across the Middle east, Eurasia, the Balkans, The Mediterranean and up to the very gates of Vienna have never been forgotten in the affected countries and believe me if you went there and tried singing the muslim praises you would soon be put right!. From 700s - 1700s were oppressive times indeed for occupied countries.
One day I fear the world will be shown once again how cruel some people of the Crescent religion can be...

[STEED]

Pin a medal of them fish, Oops you can't do that.

Fish enlisted in US terror fight

One of the most common types of fish in America has been enlisted in the fight against terrorism.

San Francisco, Washington and New York are using bluegills - also known as sunfish - to safeguard their public drinking water.
A small number of fish are kept in tanks which are constantly filled with water from the municipal supply.
The computerised system registers changes in the fishes' vital signs and sends an alert when something is wrong.
Since 11 September 2001, the US government has taken the threat of attacks on water supplies seriously.
Early warning system
Under federal law, nearly all community water systems must be assessed for their vulnerability to terrorism - and water supplies are constantly monitored and tested for chemical and biological agents.
"It's like an early warning system - it acts as another line of defence," said Bill Lawler, co-founder of Intelligent Automation Corporation, the San Diego-based company that makes the anti-terror apparatus.
Bluegills - a hardy species - are highly sensitive to a wide number of toxins. When they are exposed to such substances they experience the fish version of coughing, flexing their gills to expel unwanted particles.
At the first sign of stress in the fish, the computer system will send an alert by email, pager or mobile device, also known as "fish phones".
New York City's bluegills were put to work recently when the system caught traces of a diesel spill before any of the Department of Environmental Protection's other devices.
The bluegills do have limitations however. They cannot reliably detect germs and are no use against other sorts of attacks - the bombing of a water main, or computer hackers attacking the systems that control the flow of water.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...as/5360612.stm

Published: 2006/09/19 15:56:55 GMT

© BBC MMVI

[Skybird]

Oh, THAT Fish you mean!

[The Avon Lady]

I will now wait for the first major US false alarm, when someone decides to place fish in parks and in buildings to check the air for terror-based contaminations and panics when they all start dying within minutes of their placement.

[STEED]

Dose our Home Secretary Dr John Reid really believe asking British Muslims to inform on their own family members to spot potential extremists? Fat chance they are a closed community and will never do a thing apart from protest and a spot of rioting when some one up sets them.

Reid call over Muslim extremism
Home Secretary John Reid is to call on British Muslims to do more to help root out potential extremists.

In a speech Mr Reid will ask Muslim parents to keep a close eye on their children and act if they suspect they are being radicalised by extremists.
The comments will reflect government frustration that not enough has been done since the 7 July London bombings.
However, some Muslim leaders have concerns and, last month, urged a change in UK foreign policy.
Key role
It will be Mr Reid's first speech to a Muslim audience since he became home secretary in May.
During his trip to east London, when he will also visit a mosque, he will say that community and religious leaders can play a key role in the fight against terrorism.
Mr Reid will not tell Muslim parents to report their concerns to the police but wants them to confront their children's behaviour and talk to them.
He will remind his audience that many of those killed in al-Qaeda attacks have been Muslims.
The home secretary will add that the fight against terrorism is a fight to defend common values.
'Dreadful misjudgement'
In an open letter last month, some Muslims leaders said British foreign policy was putting civilians at increased risk in the UK and abroad.
Mr Reid described the letter, signed by three Muslim MPs, three peers and 38 organisations, as a "dreadful misjudgement".

HAVE YOUR SAY
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David Holman, Europe

Earlier this year, Tony Blair said the government alone could not root out extremism in Muslim communities and defeat the terrorism it creates. After the 7 July attacks last year, ministers organised national roadshows targeting fanaticism.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...ws/5362052.stm

Published: 2006/09/20 08:43:04 GMT

© BBC MMVI

[STEED]

Well, well no surprise at all.

Reid speech disrupted by hecklers
Home Secretary John Reid has called on British Muslims to do more to help root out potential extremists.

In a speech Mr Reid asked Muslim parents to keep a close eye on their children and act if they suspect they are being radicalised by extremists.
The comments reflect government frustration that not enough has been done since the 7 July London bombings.
His speech was interrupted by a Muslim heckler who said he was "furious" about "state terrorism by British police".
Mr Reid watched as the protester was led from the building by police and stewards.
The protester accused the minister of being an "enemy" of Islam.
A second heckler was ejected a few minutes later after he also interrupted the speech.
Key role
The man emerged from the venue clutching several posters, one of which said: "John Reid you will pay!"
It comes after some Muslim leaders expressed concerns about the UK's foreign policy and called for it to be changed.
It was Mr Reid's first speech to a Muslim audience since he became home secretary in May.
During his trip to east London, which also involved a visit to a mosque, he said that community and religious leaders can play a key role in the fight against terrorism.
The home secretary said "our fight is not with Muslims generally". Instead, he said, there was a "struggle against extremism".
"Our battle is with those terrorists who have no respect for human life, equality or the democratic process," he said.
He spoke of there being a "conflict of values" between "terrorists on one side" and most of "modern civilisation" on the other.

HAVE YOUR SAY
Introduce licensing for all preachers of all religions
David Holman, Europe


Mr Reid did not tell Muslim parents to report their concerns to the police but wants them to confront their children's behaviour and talk to them.
And he reminded his audience that many of those killed in al-Qaeda attacks have been Muslims.
The home secretary added that the fight against terrorism is a fight to defend common values.
In an open letter last month, some Muslims leaders said British foreign policy was putting civilians at increased risk in the UK and abroad.
Mr Reid described the letter, signed by three Muslim MPs, three peers and 38 organisations, as a "dreadful misjudgement".
Earlier this year, Prime Minister Tony Blair said the government alone could not root out extremism in Muslim communities and defeat the terrorism it creates. After the 7 July attacks last year, ministers organised national roadshows targeting fanaticism.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...ws/5362052.stm

Published: 2006/09/20 11:40:02 GMT

© BBC MMVI

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by STEED

Dose our Home Secretary Dr John Reid really believe asking British Muslims to inform on their own family members to spot potential extremists?

Been there, done that.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Been there, done that.

AL, drop him a line and tell him it will not work.

[SkvyWvr]

How do well educated officials come up with such dumbass ideas?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

How do well educated officials come up with such dumbass ideas?

By being well educated dumbasses. Quite common, actually.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by STEED

AL, drop him a line and tell him it will not work.

Are you crazy?! After yesterday's BBC report about attacking phone booths, nothing doing!

[STEED]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Are you crazy?! After yesterday's BBC report about attacking phone booths, nothing doing!

Try email or a letter or what ever.

[joea]

Reality TV:

http://newsbiscuit.com/article/new-r...rs-in-paradise

A new reality TV show plans to trick Muslim extremists into thinking they are taking part in a suicide bombing, and then secretly filming them as they explore what they imagine is the afterlife.
Following the success of last year’s reality TV show Space Cadets, in which contestants were duped into believing that they had been sent into orbit, Channel Four has been under pressure to raise the stakes in the competitive world of reality TV.
‘If death is the ultimate reality, then making the participants think they are dead is the ultimate reality TV show’ said producer Jeremy Gill. ‘These young extremists will really think they have died for the jihad and gone to their Islamic paradise.’
The show’s set up is quite simple. Extremist militant young Muslims will be tricked into thinking that they are about to lay down their lives in the Holy Jihad. But instead, the suicide bombs in their suitcases will only be stun grenades. When they wake up they will have no idea that they are actually in a specially prepared aircraft hangar outside Luton.
‘They believe that seventy two virgins will be waiting for them in paradise. In our version, there is only Christine Hamilton and Carol Thatcher’ explained the producer of Jihad Martyrs. ‘We thought it would be more entertaining if paradise was consistently disappointing and very badly run. Nothing works and the food is awful. Oh and God and St Peter will there too, because we these guys have to adjust to waking up in a Judeo-Christian heaven. And we made God Jewish. Channel Four does have a remit to cater for all faiths, and we wouldn’t want to cause any offence.’
The programme is already in production and the first episode will transmit next month. Police will not be informed of the identity of the suicide bombers until the end of the series, nor the secret location in which the programme is being filmed; ‘We thought it might compromise the illusion that these people were in Heaven’ said Jeremy Gill. ‘…if armed policeman suddenly burst in and pumped thirty bullets into their heads.’

This just might be the answer.

*Sits and awaits a 2000 word post by Skybird, and numerous links from Jihadwatch by Avon Lady as well as sundry miltary solutions from US posters*