Muslim uproar - (Merged)
 

Party time! :()1:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5347876.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5348436.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0,,1873167,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe...lam/index.html
http://www.welt.de/data/2006/09/15/1037631.html
http://www.faz.net/s/Rub28FC768942F3...~Scontent.html

So far, minor or no coverage in those US and French medias that I scan (certainly not all, and Herald Tribune link currently broken). However, Al Jazeera surprisingly is silent about it, too (they have a current headline of Egypt groups wanting to quit treaties with Israel, calling the end of peace treaties "real democracy" for the ME).

Threats from officials of the Turkish government. A parliamentarian resolution from Pakistan. Intimidation from the Egypt Muslim Brotherhood, and the even more "radical" workers party. Self-deception and angry balking from the central commitee of muslims in Germany. Angry comments by the OIC. Mass protests in Kashmir. Rallies along africa'S North, protests in the Me countries, demonstrations in Asian places as well. And more angry official comments from Quatar, India, Indonesia, Algeria...

Of course, it all has been peace and love and truth in Islam history, whereas christianity again is reminded that the crusades were unjustified aggression (against Isamic attack and invasion, which usually is not told), and still live until today, and Islam has been it'S poor, poor victim, and that there are so many lies being told about Islam today, and that Muslims demand this, and demand that, and apologies needed, ans serious concerns, and blablablabla and lots of gobbelgobbelgobbel.

This is the paragraph in original that spiked current emotions. It holds nothing nothing nothing anyone needs to apologize for, and the pope made it clear that he is quoting already existant words anyway.

the complete speech in original German words can be found here:
http://www.faz.net/s/RubBF7CD2794CEC...~Scontent.html

The English translation here:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...nsburg_en.html

I hope no apology takes place (for what?) Let Islam drown in hysteria again for all world to see it's lying face and selfish, sly self-deception. Time to stop being obedient servants for the interests of Islam. I need a bucket nearby, just in case I can't hold it.

Maybe we should have a yearly championship for Muslim performances of self-deception and mass-hysteria, we could hold it at Monte Carlo and call this festivity a "Hysterial", and award the three highest scoring contributions some kind of an award to show them how much we care and really take them seriously. Little marcipane figures of Muhammad, or a golden box with a set of beer mats with ol' boy's face. :up:

Hey now, if the Pope doesn't retract his accusations of Islam promoting violence, Muslims around the world might respond violently! :hmm:

And that would be the Pope's fault! :yep:

Excitable lot, aren't they?

WE had it last time. Torching of our embassy in Damascus, riots in the streets of Indonesia. At least the saudis merely boycotted danish dairy products for some months. That was the closest thing to a rational reaction I saw from that conflict.

Good man, that is. and I knew it! ;) I knew that he would not turn out to be the tough hardliner many feared, he was called the "Panzer-Kardinal" over here. His faces change with the official positions he holds, and pope is a different job than being boss of the congregation. In a long TV-interview with German TV two or three weeks ago he chuckled when being confronted with a remark that he had been expected to be like this, ,or like that, saying that people have divided him into so many sub-personalities that he cannot count his many parts anymore, something like this he said. but he was always one and the same man, he said, just doing different jobs that came with different responsebilities. From what i have red from his writings, he has a laser-sharp mind. I can only recommend to read some of his many stuff, it goes both to the heart and the intellect and shows his fundament in greek philosophy. Now, that is a pope with whom I can deal, for a change. His predecessor I found disgusting.

Muslim fury at pope jihad comments
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/15/pope.islam/index.html

We never hear "Muslims fury at terrorists using their religion as basis for murder and mayhem" :roll:

Perhaps because they aren't spoon fed gov't propaganda about evil america. Im pretty sure half of this is due to selective information propagation. The other is becacuse they have no democracy. I wonder what it is that makes it so hard for Middle eastern countries to have a democratic gov't and voting system.

I need to mark this day in my calender - Neal has made a contribution in an Islam-related-thread. Nice party last night, Neal? How many drinks? :-j

BTW, I had already included your link in my list of links! http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/b330.gif

Quran. Hadith. Sharia. Muhammad. Absence of democarcy and market economy is not root of their problems, but a symptom of their problems. That's why "bringing them democracy" fails.

Turkey demands an apology.

Pakistan, too.

So does this animal.

BTW, for those who have appreciated her endeavors, Oriana Fallaci has passed away. RIP.

No, that is so easy. Just blame people's religion and you are free to ignore anything. Follow the money instead. Who gains by this?

For me it is not even a religion, but a political agenda, aiming at totalitarian control of society, and subjugating societies that are not already part of it by force, violance, war, lies, bribing, deception, infiltration, colonization - whatever it takes. That ruthless Western economists and plutocratic elites and family clans like the Bushs (but also so many others!) make profit by doing opportunistic business with hostile factions does not change the fundemantal queerness in Islamic "thoelogy", it's lack of self-testing and self-analysis, self-reflecting and uncensored theollogical research on the matter of Islam. In Quran school, "studying the Quran/Islam" means effectively only this: learning it word by word (the word quran has a linguistcal root leading to a translated meaning of "recitation"), copying the teachers comments uncritically, not raising questions about it. Like I just wrote yesterday: not asking "is the quran right?" but "Why is it that the quran is always right?"

So, you can rightfully criticise both Islam and western plutocratic structures (what I do, btw.), but do not lead back one problem to the other. You are dealing with two independant problems, not one that is also causing the other. The problem with Islam is very much the religion and teaching itself, the content, the message, the ideology; the demand and self-perception of being for the best of all mankind, so that it is even in mankind's interest to be subjugated by Islam. that's why it sees no harm in using force against infidels. We infidels must be forced into our luck, you see. It does not compare to any other religion.

News of the World, headline

Former Hitler youth member bites back.

I bet they wished they ran that one. :lol:

I've lived 12 years as christian in Islamic country. All muslims I knew were against fundamentalism. I don't have problems with their theology. IMO any theology can/will be abused.

Hmmm, better let Bruno Platter know that he'd better start arming his recruits...we're marching against Islam!!

http://www.deryni.net/images/templar.jpg

Define difference between "Islam" and "fundamentalism".