Got Tremors-Could be Parkinson

[Skybird]

Sorry to hear that. The problem is that a certain form of protein, the so-called Alpha-Synoclein, forms plaques along neurons and neural cells. These plaques are so far not known to be removable, but there is much research going on in this direction. Further progression of the symptoms maybe can be influenced by nutrition indeed.

Often mentioned are:

- antioxidants and inflammation-inhibiting foods,
- Omega-3s,
- vitamine E,
- D,
- and certain vitamins of the B-complex (conflicting data on the Bs).

Recommended are:

- ketogenic or
- so-called mediterranean diet styles,
- means: avoid carbohydrates, the less carbs, the better. Of course, that includes refined sugar. Carbohydrates are a top inflammator.
- Avoid plant seed oils at all cost, these things should be banned in general. They too are a top inflammator. Maybe even worse than sugars.
- Use healthy fats like olive oil, animal fats, butter, MCTs, avocado oil, coconut oil.

- Avoid ultra-processed industrial "food".
- And finally EAT WELL! Both these demntia cna be heavily caused and worstend both by under-eating at higher age, which is quite common in elder people, or malnutrition in younger years, putting stuff into your body that trigger and pamper the development of these plaques. Eat good stuff, and eat well, sufficient (meaning quantity).


Coconut oil holds potential to really impact positively on neural degeneration symptoms, as long as the neuron is not completely dead already. The studies rejecting this and came to my knowledge used hilariously low and thus therapeutically inefficient doses. Its worth a try, I say.

You will probably not be able to stop the progression of both deseases, but maybe you find you can slow it down. A try is worth it since it costs you nothing and includes no additional risk.

A Lewy Body Dementia shares symptoms with Alzheimer, thus both get often misdiagnosed, the one taken for the other.

I say again, the attempt of trying this is free and costs you practically nothing. The risks are in my view non existent. Success is not guaranteed, but then: you also have nothing to lose when trying it.

Have courage, stay committed!

[mapuc]

A question

I'm also suffering from Diabetic 2 and I have seen the word
diabetic ketoacidosis.

In a KETO-Diet your body enter this Ketosis.

Is Ketosis the same as Ketoacidosis ?

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While waiting for an answer I made a search and found this
"Ketosis is a metabolic process that occurs when the body breaks down fat for energy if it's not getting enough carbohydrates. Ketoacidosis, meanwhile, is typically a life-threatening complication of diabetes. It happens when insulin levels drop dangerously low, causing a buildup of ketones and acid in the blood."
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Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I'm also suffering from Diabetic 2 and I have seen the word
diabetic ketoacidosis.

In a KETO-Diet your body enter this Ketosis.

Is Ketosis the same as Ketoacidosis ?

No! Not by a huge margin! Lets go through it in the right order, since many people over and over again mistake these two things.

First things first. As a late fetus, baby, child in the first years of its life, we are in ketosis, as long as we do not get put on carbohydrates. Ketosis is our most natural and our first energetic metabolic state, our bodies must not learn it as an adult, it just needs to remember it. Ketosis means our body "refines" fats in the liver and forms ketone bodies or ketones, these are the carriers of the needed energy that get shuttled around in the body and used in place of glucose/glucagon. When we get no longer mothermilk, but get taught to eat fruits and veggies and cereals, our body switches to glucose as its primary energy source, and it does so easily, unfortunately. Glucose gets further "refined" in Glucagon, which is stored and used as needed. It takes time to form glucagon, like it does take time to form ketones, but ketone-production nevertheless is faster in a system in ketosis. And since all your body fat serves as an energy reserve, if need be, you have 12-15 times more energy available, potentially, than you have energy in form of glucagon. Thats why it is much harder for you to tire out while being in ketosis, than if you were in a state of glucose-based energy production. Glucagon reserves get eaten up quickly and then take long time to refill, but since only rarely they get depleted (since we do not hunt, fight, run and survival that much anymore), our body prefers to make body energy from Glucose, its easier, less complex. Fat-metabolism on the other hand means you have a much longer reach in physical stamina/duration, and you do not have all the negative side effects of a carbohydrate-based metabolism. The body makes the very little glucose it indeed needs itself, there is non reason to fill glucose in from outside via food. Glucose energy cycle is a backup system for times of need and emergency, when meat and fish and fats from animals are not available, but it comes at a price. It should not be our normal standard energy production mode. Ketosis should be. We are designed to be ketogenic. The lion'S share if not all of modern civilizational diseases comes from us insisting that we know better than millions of years of evolutionary biological development and that we should make the backup system our primary operational mode - while the primary one nevertheless is absolutely functional and unbroken. The seocndary system is not mean to do the long run, it is meant to step in as a temporary fix and improvised solution, to be switched off again once the primary system is back on duty. It also helps to stgore some reserves inanutumn, when we sneak throguzn theb forest and occaisoanlly may stumble over a handful of soar wild berries with some carbs in them. There glucise gets stored in the fat cells sicne we are in ketosis, and form there they add to our chance that we survive winter. Isn't it wonderful how everything in nature falls into its right place - if only you let it?!

Now, ketoacedosis. Thats a state that mostly is found in type 1 diabetics, can also be triggered by alcohol abuse, could show up in pregnancy, or as a result from using certain medications.

The problem is the low supply in insulin, may it be that the pancreas does not make enough insuline, may it be that the artifical supply via syringe is dosed too low. This state triggers a sudden overreduction of fat in the fat reseves, and the liver gets practically overflooded with fat. It then creates ketones like crazy, but there is a problem in this specific situation: since there is no insuline in the blood, there is plenty of sugar in the blood. And this prevents that the ketones can get burned in the mitochondria inside the cells. The raising levels of unused ketones make the blood more acidic.

In healthy people, a too huge rise in ketone production can trigger a mild insuline reaction (where consumming fat in normal ammounts does not do that). You have a feedback mechanism here that serves the purpose of a security valve. In diabetics, this obviously can fail, they have no or too low insuline reactions already at the beginning of this process, and wont make any more insuline. I dont know for certain, but I would assume that as long as he does not need to take insulin, even a type 2 diabetic still is relatively safe. And even if he must take it, the better chances are that ketoacidosis does not become a problem. It happens. But not to most of those likely candidates.

Since ketones raise the pH level of the blood and make it more acidic, this is dangerous since the ph-level of blood must remain within extremely tight upper and lower levels, I think it was between 7.35 and 7.45 pH. In a ketoacedosis, ketones in the blood reach levels of 15+ mmol/l, which is very much, and dangerous, such acidic blood will practically always cause the person feeling very ill - you really will feel it if you are in a ketoacidosis! Normal levels of ketones in the blood of people in a solid good state of healthy ketosis are 5-7 mmol/l. Many people report even levels of just 2-4 mmol/l when being in ketosis.

Test strips for ketones where you pee on them and then read a colour grade against a scale and can estimate your ketone numbers this way, are primarily meant for diabetics right to test for their risk to approach a state of ketoacedosis. You cna fereely buy them at for exmaple Amazon. For normal people on a ketogenic diet, they only make sense at the beginning of their journey, since the more their body is remembering how to use ketones for energy needs, the less it is willing to excrete ketones with the urine anymore. So they may be in a deep and solid ketosis, but find that over time the test strip says that their number of ketones in the urine is dropping. Quite some confusion can come from this! If you want to monitor your kjetones, you need to scan your blood. There are small devices like those used for measuring sugar in the blood, you need a drop of blood, put it into the sensor, and read the number. 30-40 Euros. There are even such devices that allow both ketone and blood sugar measurment.

I would say that for both type 1 and 2 diabetics, carbohadrate avoiding diet is the diet of choice, may it be ketogenic, may it be carnivore, or whatever. Leave out those carbs, also in cereals. Cereals are not healthy, cereals ARE carbs! Sugar, that means. Almost completely.

A state of ketoacedosis is utmost dangerous and life threatening, immediate emergency care by a doctor or hospital crew is absolutely necessary.

So, Markus, if you fear your health problems are due to a creeping-in ketoacedosis, I think I am on the safe side when I tell you: you must not worry. First, you are type 2 and not type 1 diabetic, and second, if you were in a ketoacedosis all these days and no doctor treating it (those you met recently obviously also did not recognise it), you most likely by now would already be dead. I see even less risk for you if you, as a Diabetic type 2, also must not yet take insulin.

[mapuc]

Thank you so much for your in-deep answers.

I've decided to start on the Carnivore diet next month.

Markus

[Raf1394]

The best thing is always to advice what doctors say.
Or let them check you out. Doctors always know better.

Goodluck! Hope everything keeps well Mapuc.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Raf1394

The best thing is always to advice what doctors say.
Or let them check you out. Doctors always know better.

No, they do not know it always better, and their advise can and not rarely is opposite to your health interests. Some do give good advise and are open to the stuff I say (and I just repeat what some of such doctors said, write and post!), these are the good ones. They are rare. The others: avoid-avoid-avoid. Most doctors are to be avoided. Some are good ones, keep them if you find one of them. Most dotors are results of the system and the system is aiming not at optimal health, but proifit.

However, What I advise Markus to do is not so much a contradiction to what his doctor told him, because I don't know what he said, but a supplement to every conceivable form of medical treatment. A supplement that offers a chance of additional improvement, albeit not a guarantee.

Have you ever noticed how incredibly sick people are in the West, everywhere? And yet there is no shortage of doctors. Nor is there a shortage of pills that are being prescribed, injecitons that are being applied and therapies that are being undergone. Nevertheless, the incidence of cancer, inflammatory, degenerative, chronic, autoimmune and chronic diseases is exploding. And this is also true of all those parts of the world that are not part of the West but implement Western dietary guidelines. this also explicitly includes the so-called balanced Western mixed diet with lots of fruit and vegetables.

How does that just happen...?


Don't be so gullible about supposed authorities, take responsibility for yourselves, even if it means work. You should consider yourself better than just a sheep in the pasture whose existence is managed by someone else. The things I tlak of and post about are not that difficult to learn, and if I could learn them, you can learn them too, if you have ears to listen and eyes to read. Everybody cna learn, woithin surporisngl yhsort time, to read and understand a general blood test. I have seen Ikea construction instruction that were messier to understand. There is enough complex stuff in medicine where it is not so easily possible to comprehend it all for a layman. But that are things I never and nowhere talk about. I am absolutely aware of my limitations. But I repeatedly made the experience with doctors over the past years, doctors of mine and mainly of my parents: about nutrition I know by now a whole damn lot more than any of these mentioned doctors. And if you have an idea about the content of the curriculum for medical students at universities (I have), then you know why that is so. And this is in germany. I think in other countries and namely the US it must be even much worse. Sene that way, we are still a bit better off in Germany, but here things also worsen.

Heck, doctors told me over more than three decades that I would need to die early and probably quite miserably i n paralysis and pain from mysterious neurological disorder they could not identify - and I prepared and arranged my life plan to this! They kept me on blood pressure meds and nibbled on my symptoms for another 15 years and did not care to adress the underlying causes - because they had no clue. I cured myself. I take no meds anymore. the damocles sword of early painful death over my head - is gone. I have improved that status of my father both physically and especially mentally, he is getting 81. I have drastically helped my Mum. Plus three, four others whom I put on a different track, and it paid off very well for them.

Stop kneeling before your doctors. Ask them, quiz them, which has as a precondition that you have gained some knowledge on the topic yourself. And then weigh what they say and how they behave, and then decide. Take responsibility for yourself. The consequences, good or bad, will be yours, always.Consequences of your decisions - but also consequences of their decisions. If THEY mess it up for you, YOU pay the price nevertheless. Try to find comfort in that then. You will search in vain.

[Skybird]

Start slow.

Start slow.

Start slow.



I think ever more that this is not just good advice, but is really important.

I would even recommend to first go ketogenic for some time. I think my reasons are relevant:

Carnivor and lion diet are the most radical reduction diets there are. That means Carnivore reduces risks by simply leaving factors and factors of different possible food ingredients out that thus cnanot pose a risk anymore. As if you simplify a formula, an algorithm I mean by deleting variables in it. This also reduces taste variation. Some people find it more difficult to adapt to a smaller taste spectrum. It can be demotivating if approahcign tis wrongly, and if you are too harsh in the beginning, you may stall and prematurely give up.

Also if your body has no recent experiences with ketogenic or carnivore episodes, changing the metabolism takes time. The time becomes shorter the more often you switch in follwing years, say every four months or so. If you even wnat to switch, that is. But in the beginning, you may need anything between ten days and three or four weeks, it depends, people are differently, and start with at different status.

Your body will go through a transition where the glucagon-metabolism gets shut down and your ketogenic metabolism fires up. Your body must remember it, its not really new to it, but has not done it for a very long time. Energy production can be instabile a bit . A BIT, not drastically. You may feel it in form of mild neck or head pain, feeling a bit cold, or the famous so-called "keto-flu" even with a mkiold fever occaisonally. All this normal, it must not but can show up, it shows that the energy production from glucose is no more, and that the energy from ketone still is not running optimal, is still in the process of adaptation, maintenance and finetuning. Be prepared for this, expect it! If then you find you suffer milder or no symptoms - even better.

My advice therefore: start with reducing carbs in your food. Namely evertyhing sweet. Sugar. Sweetener (complex topic but relevant, I underestimated it too long). Bread, sweet spreads. All forms of cereals and grains. Plant seed oils!!!!! Clear cut, let it be, period.

Then start taking out fruits one by one, and reduce veggies, rice, potatoes, noodles, and so forth.

Give every such phase a week or two days. Or make the transition smooth and constant. You know the difference between "cold turkey" and "slow detoxification therapy"? Cold turkey works, but it can be brutal. Detoxification over a period of time also works, but takes longer. Think of your current carbohydrate diet as a form of intoxification. Thats what it is.

In principle, nothing is to be said against coffee, Dr. Berry for exmaple tolerates it, so does Dr. Baker, while Dr. Chaffee recommend to get off it. But coffee stimulates bowel emptying for sure. Constipation or much more frequently: diarrhea in general is a problem that every newcomer must deal with, due to the changes in fat consumption, salt consumption. Coffee can play a role, in my personal case I know it does. Sweeteners also can promote diarrhea. You will need to experiment what it does to your digestive tract if you make changes here and there. You will need to give it time.

You will need to balance fat versus protein, but many new carnivores probably exaggerate it with the fat. I do not add fats for thinbkling it is needed, I add them in form of herbal butter and cheese to vary the taste. That is my only motive.

Diarrhea means you lose many electrolytes, you want to do two things for sure:

first: solving the issues that cause it, and second: compensate the loss of electrolytes, here sodium, (salt) potassium, magnesium and calcium are of interest. Salt a smuch as you want, according to taste. Do not limit salt just because the doctor may say so. You then need more potassium. But you must check your meds whether they reduce potassium excretion via urine, beta-blockers for exampel can do that. Then you may have a bit more potassium in your body already. Magnesium you should supplement, and dont be shy. Calcium I would not supplement, never, without a clear medical need and crystal-clear diagnosis . Better let your vitamine D and K2 levels "explode" ! No calcium problems then. But you must replace the electrolytes in the beginning of your carnivore journey. You will loose electrolytes in the beginning. Aplenty. Believe it.

Once your digestive system relaxes again and your poop becomes more normal again, you can slowly lay back and relax, too. Could even end in that you poop just every couple of days. I mean, volume can dramatically decline, since you eat no waste anymore, but what you eat practically completely gets assimilated. As long as you have no pain, cramps, constipation or diarrhea, dont worry about what goes on or does not go on down there.

Preferred meat is avoiding monogastric animal meat: pigs, chicken. They digest grass and other stuff differently than animals that have several stomachs (cattle for exmpale has four, not one). This is of a health benebfit for us eating these animals, becasue they breka down fibre and stuff much ebtter than pigs and chicken. Prefer beef, fatty beef that is, and lamb.

Fish: fatty fish preferred, but you can eat in fish what you want.

Eggs. Butter, animal fats. Cream. Ghee. (NO MILK that is not fermented!)

Cheese: strictly spoken it is not carnivore, but I use different cheese to vary flavour and taste, so: I eat cheese. but only cheese without chemical-industrial additives, organic cheese, so to speak. For the same reason I accept the occasional use of Ketjap Manis, which contains not just soy sauce, but also a certain ammount of sugar. I dont take much of it, and not often, only rarely, and preferredly with ground beef.

Can you overeat beef if you eat it every day? No. When you are hungry, you will find the taste of it more appetizing. If you are not hungry, you will find it less appetitizing. Thats it. I eat beef every day since over one and a half year now. I am not tired of it at all. Not at the slightest! I still slobber. Same for eggs, butter. Butter is a wonderful taste.

This is important, markus, its about longterm motivation and compliance. These are precious goods, and if you erode them more than you refill them, you will fail sooner or later. Some things you need to be drastic about, sweets for example, cake. In the first months you must not allow a single exception from the rule of leaving out sweet and sugars - if you go cold turkey. It does not work if you allow exceptions. If you make a slower, smoother transition, you can adapt to the changes in your food spectrum. Takes more time. But I assume many will find it easier. That increases the chances for staying with it, which should be the ultimate goal.

Finally, in the first weeks of beeing fully carnrivore you may feel a huge hunger. Eat as much as you want, as often and as long as you want! As much fat as you want, your probably will notice you nevertheless loose weight. Balance that with your digestion. This is normal. But over time, you should notice that your urge to do so slowly wanes. After the first 5-6 weeks, you should start wanting to reduce your plater, since your metabolism optimised the use of what you eat more and more and wastes less and lesser nutrients in diarrhea. If you then do not reduce your plater - you will gain weight again. A bit is okay and n ormal happens to pratgcically everybody. But it can get too far. Three steps forward, one step back - thats how it was for me, since then I am stable at a BMI around 25, a bit over. But I gain no more. Its okay.

Additonal to the general bloodwork your doc probably has ordered, ask or order and pay yourself for a full nutrient panel before you start, and a full thyroid panels. Repeat 6 and 12 months later. Compare. Supplement where you see the need. In any case: supplement for sure Omega 3, and Vitamine D3 and K2 and Magnesium in high doses.