Why you can't ever trust the news... manipulation

[TteFAboB]

The only news channel I ever watch, and only by chance, luck or accident when zapping around, is FoxNews.

CNN, BBC and others makes me mad. FoxNews makes me laugh. It's all very popular, very obvious. I'd rather all news channels were like this. Be open CNN, don't try to hide behind a facade of serious, indepedent, impartial journalism.

Journalism? Nevermind, my bad.

[Yahoshua]

The newscasters don't seem to realize that reporting something GOOD (A news item that doesn't involve death or bloodshed or a fear-factor of something) is actually healthy for you!

[Type941]

Fox news is the honest liar.

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

The only news channel I ever watch, and only by chance, luck or accident when zapping around, is FoxNews.

CNN, BBC and others makes me mad. FoxNews makes me laugh. It's all very popular, very obvious. I'd rather all news channels were like this. Be open CNN, don't try to hide behind a facade of serious, indepedent, impartial journalism.

Journalism? Nevermind, my bad.

[rcs929]

It would be nice to get a straight news story without the biased spin for a change. I don't need or want the media to form my opinion for me

[August]

I read this the other day:

Originally Posted by author Ralph Peters

Lesson 2: The global media can overturn the verdict of the battlefield.

Too many politicians and generals still don't get it. This new truth about war slapped us in the face during the First Battle of Fallujah. Now, facing a hostile global media, the Israelis are learning it.

[mog]

Never mind the first battle of Fallujah; that truth has never been more apparent than with the Tet offensive over 30 years ago.

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by August

I read this the other day:

Too true. I believe Walter Conkrite said "we have lost the war" when reporting on the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam war. This lead to an intensified anti-war movement. The truth, which came out during an interview with the Viet general leading that offensive, is that they felt it was over for them and the Viet government was considering call for peace talks.

[don1reed]

its always bad business to get in between two brothers when they're fighting. its common sense.

the middle east is unsolvable. turn away and seek alternative fuel...let the brothers fight. they both believe their god gave them the land upon which they struggle. how many families have been destroyed over arguement of birthright since Abraham?

turn away from them. you'll not see an end to this in your lifetime either. fight on, Issac & Ishmael.

i see no difference between the religious right here in the west and islamic extremists in the east...they both think they're right...yes, through the ages, they've both killed innocent people for their god. i easily paint them with the same brush.

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by don1reed

i see no difference between the religious right here in the west and islamic extremists in the east...they both think they're right...yes, through the ages, they've both killed innocent people for their god. i easily paint them with the same brush.

You've got to be kidding. The difference is that in our society is centered around the ideals of tolerance and free choice as key. Our ideals are that people are viewed as free to practice as they will with no pursecution.... At the same time, Eastern extremist vow to murder and destroy any that see things not in their way.

That is the difference.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by rcs929

It would be nice to get a straight news story without the biased spin for a change. I don't need or want the media to form my opinion for me

I agree, I wish they would tell the news without all the gloss and tripe, but they never will.

[don1reed]

The difference is that in our society is centered around the ideals of tolerance and free choice as key

I truly wish this were true, LoBlo, but I was thinking about those religious right folks that blow up birth control centers or the bomber at the Atlanta Olympics in the name of their god.

In my way of thinking, both sides have extremists. I avoid them both...at all costs.

edit: oh yeah, almost forgot about those folks that show up at G.I.'s funerals and picket, yelling that they had it coming to them. Disgraceful, and yep, no tolerance.

[LoBlo]

No. The difference is that a man that lives in England can stand up in a public square and scream "I do not believe in God! Down with God! Down with God!" and you will harbor every right and protection under law. Christians will not raise up to destroy you. Your rights will not be violated and your life will not be in jeopardy. Your freedom is LAW. A man that travels to Palestine, stands up in a square and screams "Down with God! Down with God!" will be attacked, murdered, and his murderers praised publicly by government officials as heroes.

Here, those that blow up birth control centers and sports events (no matter what the reason) are breaking the law, outlawed and pursued by police for justice. Those that do so in the some countries of the ME are praised as heroes. That is the difference.

If you need proof take a trip to New York, stand up in a busy corner and scream out such a thing to see the reaction. Next travel to Palestine to find a busy street corner and try the same. I doubt you will get the same docile reaction. If you could not see the difference before you'ld would soon enough.

EDIT for wording.

[Yahoshua]

Or for a quicker comparison, yell on a street in Israel.....eventually ppl will either start listening to you or laughing.

[August]

Originally Posted by don1reed

I truly wish this were true, LoBlo, but I was thinking about those religious right folks that blow up birth control centers or the bomber at the Atlanta Olympics in the name of their god.

In my way of thinking, both sides have extremists. I avoid them both...at all costs.

edit: oh yeah, almost forgot about those folks that show up at G.I.'s funerals and picket, yelling that they had it coming to them. Disgraceful, and yep, no tolerance.

Every society has its radicals. The difference is in whether those radicals are contained or encouraged. Western radicals are informed upon, hunted down and incarcerated, whereas Islamic radicals are honored and revered. You don't see the difference?

[don1reed]

I've worked 37 years for a major police dept. Retired. Co-spent 20 years with USN RM2 and the USAR, retired SFC. Finished my working career as a merchant seaman in the Persian Gulf carrying beans, bullets, and bandaids for Op Iraqi Freedom. On the beach now, due to heart attack. I'm closer to 70 than I am to 60. I've been around the block once or twice.

I stay away from ALL religious fanatics whether in DuBai or New York and keep my own console...and pray for the strictest Constitutional separation of church and state.

...all I ask is to be accepted for who I am, not my politics or religion. I've served my country and community and I'm dead tired of folks telling me how to live my life, who have not.

Each of us is the HERO of our own story. Keep it at that and we'll all get along. I've earned the right to my opinion(s) as well at the next swingin' Richard.

The part I don't get about the religious argument in favor of suppressing other people's sin is, where the hell does it come from? I don't remember Jesus telling some woman at some well, "Go and make sure nobody else sins anymore!" I don't remember Moses bringing down any commandments that started out "They shall not . . " I don't remember any of the beatitudes starting out, "Cursed are the . . ."
It seems that for some people, believing that they are among God's chosen means that they get to behave as if they are God. You get to punish anyone whom you think has displeased God, and you get to require everyone to obey your version of God's morality. This really is a species of idolatry, in that one has substituted one's own image of God for God him (or her) self.
Ask yourself this: if God is really all-powerful, why the hell does he need anyone to enforce his rules?

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