Diabetes 2

[Skybird]

Drinking? Hehe, a tale from my own life.

I'm 56. I did sports, martila arts, was trained in unarmed self defence, Wing Tsun, opportunistic stuff. Swords, archery. Almost professionally, for short time I even was trainer, until an accident. I was always thin until the past 5, 6 years. I was physiclaly nevertheless fit. I was trained in my youth in meditation. I was aölmost "Karate Kid", my mentor, an orchestra colleguae of my ftaher, even was Japanese.

Now. Since school, my heart rate at rest (AT REST!!) was around 105, 110, 115, in that range. Others have that when they do sport, do warm up! Strangely - no doctor ever cared for that! The onyl one who ever ntoice dit, was my sport steahcer at school, who often send me for an extra lap of walking to "calm down".

When i did my long bike tours all day long, I sweat. Better,m I drowned the land in my sweat, you cannot imagine how mucz I sweat. I had to carry 3-4 bottles (1 litre each) with me, and still buy some during the tour, when there was opportunity. And when I was back home, I drank on, 2 liters more. Sick? Yes, sick. Sick for sure. When I were on my journeys to North Africa and the ME, it was a real problem. The heat was killing me. And I needed to drink, you cannot imagine how much I drank. And that stuff did not copme just form nowhere, I had to prepare, think ahead, carry it, buy it - it weas a prblem. And I collapsed three times. At healthy weight, and physically fit.

When I was put on drigs against bhghi blood pressure in 2008, the doc still did not care for te high heart rate of mine, onyl cautioned me not to take too much salt.

I never saved on salt, it sounded stupid to me, due to my sweating, but I also did not take it excessively. I never thought about it, so I just took the "ordinary ammount", according to taste and appetite.

Well, aroudn the b eginning of Corona, i started to boost my consummation of salt, and drmaatically. I booste dit upwards from around 3gr per day to 8, 9 gr, if not more. It was as if I had flipped a switch. The forst huge intake aroudn noontome - and in the late afternoon my heart rate at rest was down to low 70s, high 60s. From 110+. Wowh! Just wowh! Within hours.

And when I do the same bike tours now, I get along, even on summerdays, with one bottle of water, not even a full litre. And often i do not need it in full. I must not change clothes when I am at the top of a certain hill I must pass over every time (I swet so excessively before that I was "pitschnass", really had to change clothes, completely, evertyhing - and then again when I drove back home, I was dripping from my clothes with sweat).

What a difference a healthy dose of salt makes! Drinking much less. Sweating much less. You now ma yunderstand why I say: people, for heavens sake stop believing them fools and eat more - not less - salt. It was as if my body told me: okay, you have drunk all that stuff, but you drank the wrong stuff without salt in it. Keep on drinking, maybe you finally realise what you are doing, and you start to add much more salt to your drinks. Idiot!

How does it work? The salt content in the blood is an extremely important variable, the body monitors it very closely and keeps it within narrow toleance limits. Now, if the salt level in the blood decreases ("eat less salt!"), the body tries to increase the salt level again by reducing the blood volume: the salt then present is distributed in less blood, and thus the salt level increases. However, the blood is more viscous and less fluid, and at the same time the extracted fluid has entered the cells of the surrounding tissues, which are now bulging and thus press on the blood vessels. This is called periheral vascular resistance. This increases, and so the heart has to work harder: it has to work harder and beat more frequently: the heart rate goes up. If one eats salt, the game is reversed: to reduce the amount of salt in the blood, the body dilutes the blood volume with fluid from the surrounding tissue layers, which then relax and exert less pressure on the veins. The blood becomes more fluid again and in the dilated vessels the peripheral vascular resistance decreases: the heart can do its work with less effort and reduce its beat rate. - It is hard to imagine how many millions of people have died prematurely in the last hundred years because of medical advice to cut down on salt!

Higher intake of Sodium nevertheless needs to be processed accordingly, and for that it needs sufficient water, so the more salt you tend to take, the more you should drink by tendency. And your body tells you that: you get the thirstier the more salt you consume. Life can be so simple. Even without TV commercials telling you nonsense.

For almost 40 years no doctor cared for my heart rate - and told me to be careful with my salt! Not a reason to trust them blindly, I would say.

The man I owe to, is Dr. James DiNicolantonio, he finally seated me on the right horse. Maybe, in the future, he saved my life from a too early death, who knows.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Salt-Fix-Ex...ps%2C82&sr=8-1



And this video gives you a quick answer, Markus, to why I ride this horse named "SALT" so extensively when I started to answer to your thoughts on drinking. If you opt for ketonegic diet or low-carb diet for yourself due to your diagnosis, you likely will lose salt, and more than you imagine. The doc explains it and tells why it matters additionally to what I said.






I close with this: do not waste your time when reading food's ingredients lists with the salt content. You must not. Sugar is your problem, bad versus good fat is your problem, allergens and inflammatory omega 6 unsaturated fatty acids are a problem (no, unsaturated fats are not automatically better than saturated fats, and they also are not all good only becasue they are unsaturated - the right balance is what makes the cure - or the poison...) . Salt is no problem. Never was. In a healthy person: never will be. Consumming even large quantities of salt is safe and healthy - if only you also drink enough then. Salt has no systematic link to blood pressure, as often is claimed, that is a modern medicine myth that many doctors still fall for. Most people are salt-resisting, do not react at all with blood pressure changes to changing ammounts of salt consumed. And we know from history, that our ancestors in Europe and North america , due to the absence of refrigerators, consummed 80, 100, 120, 140 - in some areas up to 200 grams of salt - per day!


Think of it: Our body may send us signals of thirst - not only when it needs fluids - but also when it NEEDS SALT!

[Jimbuna]

Tis funny you should mention salt intake because I've never added salt to a meal (other than what is already in its contents) for about three decades and I can honestly state I don't miss it.

[Skybird]

Any processe food in your houseold, occaisonally? Fish and chips in the pub? Bread lover?


I promise you, your salt intake might be bigger than you think. You must not be worried by too much salt, however. Only by too little.

[Jimbuna]

Not too much processed nor bread but love a traditional meat roast, fish and chips and especially curry.

I undergo quarterly medical checks on blood sugar levels and blood pressure as well as weight etc. and the two Metformin tablets I take daily appear to be working thus far.

[Skybird]

Good for ya! My father took Metformin, too - now he must not anymore, as I said, he is free of diabetes, it even cannot be shown that he ever had it.

Watch for your B12 status, Metoformin is known to suppress active calcium-dependent B12 resorption. Result: B12 deficiency. B12 should definitely be supplemented when taking metformin, preferably a complete B-complex preparation. Otherwise there is a risk of diabetic neurophathy, brain atrophy or retinophathy. Vitamin D supports cellular insulin metabolism and the effect of metformin.
Antioxidants such as ubiquinol Q10 and vitamin C reduce oxidative vascular stress.
Chromium and magnesium also have a metformin-supporting effect in this context.

BTW, i did not say peopel shoudl forcefeed themselves with salt. I only said that nobody must see the need to activeyl save salt, redcue it, or act aagiusnt his appetite for it. If you wasnt to eat salt and like itk, feel no regret and eat as mcuh as you want. And if you dont have appetite for it, then stop eating it. Simple. Just do nto actively try to reduce it below what you normally would like to have and woudl enjoy to have and feel good to have. Most people will settle then in a range around 6-9 grams per day, all in total.

It is important to keep good salt supply intact when you redcue carbohydrates or go for ketogenic iet, ebcasue int hat case metabölooc chnages accurd that drive salt sonsumaiton steeply upwards. This MUST be repalced, else you start suffering for side effects - and beleive me, these you will feel for sure.

DiNicolantonio has more details on it in the videos. Doc Nico is practitioner and research cardiologist and pharmacologist at the St. Lukes Hospital in Kansas City, and a publishing academic heavyweight on his matters. Several books, over 300 contributions in scienes magazines, senior editor at "Open Heart" (belongs to British Medical Journal). I have red several of his books.

I had checked this Metformin all out when redirecting my father.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Good for ya! My father took Metformin, too - now he must not anymore, as I said, he is free of diabetes, it even cannot be shown that he ever had it.



Watch for your B12 status, Metoformin is known to suppress active calcium-dependent B12 resorption. Result: B12 deficiency. B12 should definitely be supplemented when taking metformin, preferably a complete B-complex preparation. Otherwise there is a risk of diabetic neurophathy, brain atrophy or retinophathy. Vitamin D supports cellular insulin metabolism and the effect of metformin.
Antioxidants such as ubiquinol Q10 and vitamin C reduce oxidative vascular stress.
Chromium and magnesium also have a metformin-supporting effect in this context.


I had checked this all out when redirecting my father.

The sentence "Vitamin D supports cellular insulin metabolism and the effect of metformin."
Made me search for more info about this and found this page:

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...sh-risk-of-t2d

Markus

[Skybird]

Mapuc, there is a hot war being waged against any form of supplementation by industry lobbies and their affiliated medical supporters.When I read something that recomnends, like at the end of your article, a daily dose of 400 IU, and not more than 1200 at any cost, then I know that I am dealing with somebody who does not know the matter too well and just copies the propaganda he has been fed - or he is source of that propaganda. May it be Vitamine C, or D, or Iodine, or salt - the ether is filled with noise yellign at it and scaremongering people. We are not talkign about hard drugs with meter-long lists of side effects, risks and crossinteractions like metformin or statines or anythign - we are talking about NUTRIENTS. Components of food, in other words. Lets keep things in relation. Its better if one can tackle Diabetes 2 with food adjustements, than taking drugs. As long as this is possible, its the to-be-preferred option.



There is a cartel, and it tries to silence everbyody threatening the profit interests of the pharamceutical industry.

Also, this:

[mapuc]

Same here-Think this Metformin is the best or the only on the marked.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Same here-Think this Metformin is the best or the only on the marked.

Markus

What Metformin does is it increases the cell's insuline sensitivity again (which before got resistent by getting drowned in sugar and insuline). Diabetes is thus called insuline-resistrence. Sugar is in the blood, needs to get out of there. Insuline tries to press it into the cells, cells already have enough sugar from earlier orgies and say "no, thanks, we already had enough", insuline says "hell, no, sugar must get out of the blood, you MUST take it, you bloody damn cell" and presses even harder (more insuline production). Sugar goes into the cell, which is full and fat of sugar and becomes even more unsensitive (=resistent) to insuline, so the next insuline push needs to be even more extensive to press even more sugar into the cells. And there you are.

Wouldn't it be better to just eat in a smarter way so that you must not care for all that sugfar in the blood - becasue there is none, or less? NMeans ther eis less insuline procued. Means ther eis less sugar in the cells. Means there is less need to press sugar itno the cells. Means cells can relax and get more insuline sensitive again.

Metformin sounds like a cheap exit, making the cell less insuline resistent. Th sugar still is too much, the asting habits may still be unhealthy. And it comes at a cost: side effects. The most feared side effect of metformin is lactic acidosis, the lethality of which is still 50 percent today. Less dangeorus side effects are diarrhoea, flatulence, nausea, vomiting, sometimes brain fog, headache. The good reputation of Metformin is due to the fact that the side effect of other diabetic drugs are more severe.

Still, bets is if you could heal yourself with food and eating habits, not with artificial chemical drugs.


BTW, profound supply with Omega-3 also seems to have protective effects against insuline resistence.