AUKUS

Cybermat47 · 10-21-21, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Your last sentence, do you mean this military deal indicates a move away from coal-based power production in civilian industry, too?

Unlikely with our present Prime Minister. Man has a fetish for coal.

I would try to tell him that global warming is making it a lot harder on us firefighters, but he’s too busy vacationing in Hawaii when the nation is on fire.

Skybird · 12-10-21, 02:06 PM

Australia has decided to abandon 48 European-made Taipan helicopters that it already operates, but is not satisfied with,l the machiens are said to be extremely unreliable and having logged only 50-55% of those flight hours that were planned for them, that high is the rate of tecnical down times for these (new!) helicopters that are licensed by Airbus.

Australia wants to buy 40 Blackhawks instead, saying these are proven, more reliable, and in the long run thus much more cost-efficient than the European helicopters. Critics say the cancelled submarine deal with France also freed funds in the short term that now must be reallocated.

I think it should be clear by now that Australia clearly prioritizes the US over Europe as a partner for the conflict with China. I cannot criticise them for this attitude. If I were Australia, I would not place my money on Europe, too.

Kapitan · 12-10-21, 02:14 PM

I’m loathed to admit this but I also would y put my money with the European Union it seems they have no back bone what so ever with the exception of the Dutch

The UK I think will be steadfast and support Australia but logistically the USA is a much better logistically suited

Skybird · 12-10-21, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

I’m loathed to admit this but I also would y put my money with the European Union it seems they have no back bone what so ever with the exception of the Dutch

The UK I think will be steadfast and support Australia but logistically the USA is a much better logistically suited

When I think of European defence projects, a proverb is on my mind: too many chefs spoil the broth.

Exocet25fr · 12-10-21, 05:25 PM

Be care !, Many of French people and me clearly prioritizes the USSR over AUKUS as a partner !

We don't trust any more with Anglo-saxons!

Skybird · 12-10-21, 07:43 PM

And I trust no nation at all. As one of your great leaders put it: "States have no friends - states have interests." That includes France. Macronman has understood that.

But I fear Berlin has not. Or wants not. The new government clearly pushes for a European federal state replacing the EU. National self-dissolving, that is what they want. That way the Germans could finally get rid of what they dispise most: Germany. I did not get the impression that this was welcomed yesterday: neither in Paris nor in Warsaw, and most others will be against it as well. Different to the Germans, people in many other countries still feel their historically grown national identiies. Maybe sometimes still wallowing in echoes of glory of a past that does not reach into contemporary present conditions anymore. And still, it is a strong drive in many people. Especially the French (s I see them).

And the Brits (as I see them). Probably also the Spaniards (as I see them). Certainly the Poles (as I see them).

Powerpolitics in Paris and Warsaw, unlimited idealism in Berlin. A toxic constellation that is - for Germany.

Kapitan · 12-13-21, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

Be care !, Many of French people and me clearly prioritizes the USSR over AUKUS as a partner !

We don't trust any more with Anglo-saxons!

France prioritizes anyone over the UK but mainly focuses on itself and to hell with anyone else, its why we have been arch rivals for over 1000 years.

Exocet25fr · 12-14-21, 08:41 AM

Before and after brexit UK mainly focuses on itself !

12-10-21, 02:06 PM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,698 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Australia has decided to abandon 48 European-made Taipan helicopters that it already operates, but is not satisfied with,l the machiens are said to be extremely unreliable and having logged only 50-55% of those flight hours that were planned for them, that high is the rate of tecnical down times for these (new!) helicopters that are licensed by Airbus. Australia wants to buy 40 Blackhawks instead, saying these are proven, more reliable, and in the long run thus much more cost-efficient than the European helicopters. Critics say the cancelled submarine deal with France also freed funds in the short term that now must be reallocated. I think it should be clear by now that Australia clearly prioritizes the US over Europe as a partner for the conflict with China. I cannot criticise them for this attitude. If I were Australia, I would not place my money on Europe, too. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-10-21, 02:14 PM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	I’m loathed to admit this but I also would y put my money with the European Union it seems they have no back bone what so ever with the exception of the Dutch The UK I think will be steadfast and support Australia but logistically the USA is a much better logistically suited __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-10-21, 05:25 PM	#5
Exocet25fr Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris/France Posts: 1,135 Downloads: 255 Uploads: 0	Be care !, Many of French people and me clearly prioritizes the USSR over AUKUS as a partner ! We don't trust any more with Anglo-saxons! __________________ \"Le Triomphant\" listens you !

12-10-21, 07:43 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,698 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And I trust no nation at all. As one of your great leaders put it: "States have no friends - states have interests." That includes France. Macronman has understood that. But I fear Berlin has not. Or wants not. The new government clearly pushes for a European federal state replacing the EU. National self-dissolving, that is what they want. That way the Germans could finally get rid of what they dispise most: Germany. I did not get the impression that this was welcomed yesterday: neither in Paris nor in Warsaw, and most others will be against it as well. Different to the Germans, people in many other countries still feel their historically grown national identiies. Maybe sometimes still wallowing in echoes of glory of a past that does not reach into contemporary present conditions anymore. And still, it is a strong drive in many people. Especially the French (s I see them). And the Brits (as I see them). Probably also the Spaniards (as I see them). Certainly the Poles (as I see them). Powerpolitics in Paris and Warsaw, unlimited idealism in Berlin. A toxic constellation that is - for Germany. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-14-21, 08:41 AM	#8
Exocet25fr Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris/France Posts: 1,135 Downloads: 255 Uploads: 0	Before and after brexit UK mainly focuses on itself ! __________________ \"Le Triomphant\" listens you !

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