[REL] Real Сloud Types

gap · 03-07-21, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by U-190

It looks like I have nothing else to do here.....

I am sorry for having spoiled the party for you mate, but someone had to do it.

Only a fistful of subsim members have the knowledge required for messing with SH code. If that was not enough, distributing modified versions of an act file is not even legal. TDW bypassed this limitation by releasing his SH5 patches in the form of a generic patcher and single patches that get applied to the encoded files directly on the computer of the final user

Jeff-Groves · 03-07-21, 10:14 AM

IF I were to try to add changes at this level?
I'd code my own dll file that called routines in the stock act files.

NOW! If those routines are in anything from RAD Games?
I'd stay away from them! Already been there done that!

U-190 · 03-07-21, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gap

I am sorry for having spoiled the party for you mate, but someone had to do it.

Only a fistful of subsim members have the knowledge required for messing with SH code. If that was not enough distributing modified versions of an act file is not even legal. TDW bypassed this limitation by releasing his SH5 patches in the form of a generic patcher and single patches that get applied to the encoded files directly on the computer of the final user

And I don't regret anything. A bad experience is also an experience. You didn't ruin anything for me. My party is long gone....

U-190 · 03-07-21, 10:21 AM

What is the difference between Dynamic Environment v2 9 and Dynamic Environment 15.5 ?

Jeff-Groves · 03-07-21, 10:22 AM

Recent conversations between Neal and UBI pretty much said they don't give a squat about their files.

RAD Games however is a different story!
The granny system is licensed to UBI. That means they still OWN Granny!
You can do whatever you want to the GR2 files. But call routines from granny2.dll to use? They tend to get upset!

U-190 · 03-07-21, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Recent conversations between Neal and UBI pretty much said they don't give a squat about their files.

RAD Games however is a different story!
The granny system is licensed to UBI. That means they still OWN Granny!
You can do whatever you want to the GR2 files. But call routines from granny2.dll to use? They tend to get upset!

I've already tried editing something. Granny changes do not apply. I was under the impression that they are protected from changes

Jeff-Groves · 03-07-21, 10:31 AM

The GR2 files are not protected in SH5.
There may be a couple that are compressed but that was over come with TDW's program.

I've changed GR2 files with a Hex Editor MANY TIMES!

gap · 03-07-21, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

IF I were to try to add changes at this level?
I'd code my own dll file that called routines in the stock act files.

NOW! If those routines are in anything from RAD Games?
I'd stay away from them! Already been there done that!

Very susceptible to the infraction of their intellectual property?

Quote:

Originally Posted by U-190

And I don't regret anything. A bad experience is also an experience. You didn't ruin anything for me. My party is long gone....

Good point. You have learned something about the usage of square brackets in Silent Hunter games. You were unlucky too, because in many cases similar items are declared in the same file where are found their settings or in other fASCII iles which can be in notepad. Damage zones, and climate zones are an example of that.

That said, the new cloud types you had added to Clouds.cfg are ignored by the game, but your other changes to the file i.e. stock cloud type settings are still valid. Having looked into them I must say that I didn't like them because they remove variety from the game, but they are valid

U-190 · 03-07-21, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

I am sorry for having spoiled the party for you mate, but someone had to do it.

Only a fistful of subsim members have the knowledge required for messing with SH code. If that was not enough, distributing modified versions of an act file is not even legal. TDW bypassed this limitation by releasing his SH5 patches in the form of a generic patcher and single patches that get applied to the encoded files directly on the computer of the final user

What is the difference between Dynamic Environment v2 9 and Environment Mod 15.5 ?

gap · 03-07-21, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by U-190

What is the difference between Dynamic Environment v2 9 and Dynamic Environment 15.5 ?

After so many years I can't say right away, but theya re very similar. The most important differences were noted in the readme though

U-190 · 03-07-21, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gap

After so many years I can't say right away, but theya re very similar. The most important differences were noted in the readme though

Thanks! Which version do you recommend? Or should I create my own?

gap · 03-07-21, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by U-190

Thanks! Which version do you recommend? Or should I create my own?

Of course the last version, but it has been quite a few years since its release. In the meanwhile several little environmental improvements have been released. With permission of their authors, you might want to look into W_clear's Environment mod (which now uses my over-complex ClimateZones.tga and ClimateZones.cfg) and in TWoS (which on turn is based on DynEnv 2.9).

Environment color settings, textures, light filters and effects are mostly a matter of personal taste so you can create your own mix. I only give one advise: ask before doing something whose implications are not totally clear to you. You can switch textures and change colors at wish, but each environmental mod has its own climate/weather zone naming convention. Even cfg file names might not entirely match. Copying one of those files from one mod to the other might result in breaking the game, or in the copied settings not being applied.

If you wish to know more on how the main SH5 environment parameters work, I suggest you to read carefully post #2 in the DynEnv thread

U-190 · 03-07-21, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

Of course the last version, but it has been quite a few years since its release. In the meanwhile several little environmental improvements have been released. With permission of their authors, you might want to look into W_clear's Environment mod (which now uses my over-complex ClimateZones.tga and ClimateZones.cfg) and in TWoS (which on turn is based on DynEnv 2.9).

Environment color settings, textures, light filters and effects are mostly a matter of personal taste so you can create your own mix. I only give one advise: ask before doing something whose implications are not totally clear to you. You can switch textures and change colors at wish, but each environmental mod has its own climate/weather zone naming convention. Even cfg file names might not entirely match. Copying one of those files from one mod to the other might result in breaking the game, or in the copied settings not being applied.

If you wish to know more on how the main SH5 environment parameters work, I suggest you to read carefully post #2 in the DynEnv thread

I already had my own version of Env. It was unfinished. I won't bother you again. I'll try to finish my version. Good luck!

Jeff-Groves · 03-07-21, 11:43 AM

Questions are not a bother.
That's how We all learn.

I was new at one time myself and MANY people answered my questions.
I feel it's an obligation to help others as I was helped.
That's what makes SubSim great!

Don't let the join date of 2014 fool you!
I've been around A LOT longer under a different name.

And I've forgotten more then many people will learn!

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03-07-21, 10:14 AM	#2
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,654 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	IF I were to try to add changes at this level? I'd code my own dll file that called routines in the stock act files. NOW! If those routines are in anything from RAD Games? I'd stay away from them! Already been there done that!

03-07-21, 10:21 AM	#4
U-190 Duplicate account Not Allowed Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Russian Federation Nizhny Novgorod Posts: 713 Downloads: 2338 Uploads: 0	What is the difference between Dynamic Environment v2 9 and Dynamic Environment 15.5 ?

03-07-21, 10:22 AM	#5
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,654 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Recent conversations between Neal and UBI pretty much said they don't give a squat about their files. RAD Games however is a different story! The granny system is licensed to UBI. That means they still OWN Granny! You can do whatever you want to the GR2 files. But call routines from granny2.dll to use? They tend to get upset!

03-07-21, 10:31 AM	#7
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,654 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	The GR2 files are not protected in SH5. There may be a couple that are compressed but that was over come with TDW's program. I've changed GR2 files with a Hex Editor MANY TIMES!

03-07-21, 11:43 AM	#14
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,654 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Questions are not a bother. That's how We all learn. I was new at one time myself and MANY people answered my questions. I feel it's an obligation to help others as I was helped. That's what makes SubSim great! Don't let the join date of 2014 fool you! I've been around A LOT longer under a different name. And I've forgotten more then many people will learn!