Iran/US conflict - Page 18

Tchocky · 01-08-20, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Iran rejects to hand over the blackbox of the Ukrainian 737.

They are under no obligation to do so.

Skybird · 01-08-20, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

It seems the US neglects active spying by humans, depending on general intelligence data obtained entirely digitally and by remote camera observations. Bad and insecure trend.

On this I agree, Elint AND Humint is wanted, the one cannot replace the other. However, the power of Elint should not be underestmated, due to automatization and infinte technical storage and analysis options its reach is very, very far. And Snowden illustrated that dramatically.

The Ukraineans have released their passnger list, it deviates significantly from that the Iranians claimed tio have. Iran sayid over 140 people were Iranians, only 30-40 foreigners, the Ukraineans say only 86 were Iranians, 63 from Kanada, 28 were of five other nationaities. Still, many Iranians on board. Woudl the regime kill so many of its own people for proaganda when it wants to use the attack as a carrier to deliver a message not to the Iranians but the West? I have a problem with the logic in this. As long as the message is not "See how willing we are to turn our own people into martyrs if it helps to kill some of yours." Nutty enough many people in the ME are to tick like this indeed.

Skybird · 01-08-20, 08:26 AM

One cannot say this night was short in events: in the early morning the region around the nuclear plant at Busher had an earthquake of 4.5 Richter.

Jimbuna · 01-08-20, 09:05 AM

Among the victims were 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians including all nine crew, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Britons and three Germans.

u crank · 01-08-20, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

They are under no obligation to do so.

Correct. But failure to have an independant investigation will fuel the conspiracy theories.

Rockstar · 01-08-20, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

If an aircraft is hit by a missile, this may well lead to technical failure of some sort..

The whole region is going crazy now. While i cannot say that the death of Suleimani has to be mourned after what he did, time and place was ill chosen.

It seems the US neglects active spying by humans, depending on general intelligence data obtained entirely digitally and by remote camera observations. Bad and insecure trend.

I wouldnt say we neglect HUMINT. Rather we had to develop and depend heavily on ELINT to see what was going on in the old Soviet Union. Thats the way it has always been with us and we've developed some pretty kewl toys since then too. Then there was the 2015 hack of the OMB security clearance data. I have no doubt that hurt our HUMINT network real bad by exposing the many people we may have used to furnish intel.

Onkel Neal · 01-08-20, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

One cannot say this night was short in events: in the early morning the region around the nuclear plant at Busher had an earthquake of 4.5 Richter.

"earthquake"

Mr Quatro · 01-08-20, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

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If an aircraft is hit by a missile, this may well lead to technical failure of some sort..

True

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The whole region is going crazy now. While i cannot say that the death of Suleimani has to be mourned after what he did, time and place was ill chosen.

True

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It seems the US neglects active spying by humans, depending on general intelligence data obtained entirely digitally and by remote camera observations. Bad and insecure trend.

Not true

we may never know of the sacrifices of undercover agents in foreign countries

Rockstar · 01-08-20, 11:13 AM

With the exception of letting Iran and others know we will play hardball, we will stand our ground, we will defend our embassies and we will target the head of the snake. It appears we are going back to business as usual.

Iran's response to Solemani's death was a joke nothing more than PR stunt.

Onkel Neal · 01-08-20, 11:38 AM

Live Trump speech, parsing through the usual rambling gibberish, he's backing down.

Jeff-Groves · 01-08-20, 11:44 AM

I take it like
'I'm holding a gun at your head. I will shoot you if I must. Do you feel lucky?'

Onkel Neal · 01-08-20, 11:48 AM

Yeah, maybe so.

Skybird · 01-08-20, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

"earthquake"

I admit I too had no real idea what to make of this news.

There is an old Germn SciFi movie, the first movie made by Roland Emmerich after he finished film academy - "Noah's Ark Principle". Interesting parallels...

Full movie with English subtitles. Solid movie, you can spend a nice evening with it.

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Live Trump speech, parsing through the usual rambling gibberish, he's backing down.

As expected. Trump sees war as damaging to business, he does not really want one. Nor do his voters.

Rockstar · 01-08-20, 11:51 AM

seriously thats all you got out of that?

Jeff-Groves · 01-08-20, 11:52 AM

Pretty much told them We don't need your oil.
That right there is a direct threat!

Guess what would go BOOM first!

The past Wars should teach you that take out the Oil? The machines are rendered non-working.

01-08-20, 08:26 AM	#258
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,726 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	One cannot say this night was short in events: in the early morning the region around the nuclear plant at Busher had an earthquake of 4.5 Richter. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-08-20, 09:05 AM	#259
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,044 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Among the victims were 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians including all nine crew, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Britons and three Germans. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-08-20, 11:48 AM	#267
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Yeah, maybe so. Last edited by Onkel Neal; 01-08-20 at 12:12 PM.

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01-08-20, 11:13 AM	#264
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	With the exception of letting Iran and others know we will play hardball, we will stand our ground, we will defend our embassies and we will target the head of the snake. It appears we are going back to business as usual. Iran's response to Solemani's death was a joke nothing more than PR stunt.

01-08-20, 11:38 AM	#265
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Live Trump speech, parsing through the usual rambling gibberish, he's backing down.

01-08-20, 11:44 AM	#266
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,657 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	I take it like 'I'm holding a gun at your head. I will shoot you if I must. Do you feel lucky?'

01-08-20, 11:51 AM	#269
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	seriously thats all you got out of that?

01-08-20, 11:52 AM	#270
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,657 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Pretty much told them We don't need your oil. That right there is a direct threat! Guess what would go BOOM first! The past Wars should teach you that take out the Oil? The machines are rendered non-working.