[REL] Fifi Compilation for OM+OMEGU

[Fifi]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

I'm thinking that the wintergarden would be associated with the turms. Myself, I've not done enough noodling in OM, nor am I familiar enough with all of the Uboat variations, so which version are you referring to there THEBERBSTER, the IXC? Are there guns on the one you are referring to, but it's just an inappropriate flak decking configuration for the boat? I had always referred to "wintergarden" as the "porches", fore and aft, for the mounting of flak guns, but I know some refer specifically to the Type VII U-flak boat version as "wintergarden"...

2nd Flotilla at uboat dot net
https://uboat.net/flotillas/2flo.htm

I already noticed a type IX (maybe the IXB?) has second rear flak directly on deck, like the front deck gun...and no rear winter garden.
Maybe it’s the one Peter is referring to?

When i will come to this one for importation, i’ll See if it is normal or not.
Maybe it’s normal though...

OM has so many different turms and hulls, it’s driving me mad sometimes.
Not that easy to find out my way through all this!

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by Fifi

I already noticed a type IX (maybe the IXB?) has second rear flak directly on deck, like the front deck gun...and no rear winter garden.
Maybe it’s the one Peter is referring to?

When i will come to this one for importation, i’ll See if it is normal or not.
Maybe it’s normal though...

OM has so many different turms and hulls, it’s driving me mad sometimes.
Not that easy to find out my way through all this!

From what I see on that uboat dot net site, the IX & IXb had the rear AA gun mounted on the deck, but I'm sure there were variations of the IXb that had other configurations - of course, maybe that's where the IXc and IXc40 & IXd "models" came from??... lol - Quite a bit like US subs in the Pacific, it probably depended upon the date you're looking at the boat, and who the commanding officer was, as to what its deck configuration was...

[Fifi]

So it seems not that wrong...

[Fifi]

Second one is finished!

Here is the type IXB in 1944...and you can see he has a winter garden





Now will start an other one

[THEBERBSTER]

Hi Guys
IIRC the basic setup for flak guns was a 37mm deck mounted flak gun with 2 crew + 1 winter garden with a single or twin flak with 1 crew.
This could be upgraded to 2 winter gardens with single or twin flaks in each by removing the 37mm deck mount and 1 crew slot.
Picture shows only the 1 flak gun.

In SH4 this may be different to SH3.


The illustration shows 2 flak mounts in winter gardens.
My type IX has the 2 crew slots as seen in the picture below.



This pictures shows there is no provision for second flak gun.
It also does not state what type IX it is supposed to be.


Peter

[Fifi]

Ok i see what you meant...

On your picture, it’s a basic IX (without any letter after, it’s a IX A)
The type IX A in OM has only one flak like your first picture.
What we can see, is that it’s doesn’t match the sub drawing of your second picture in the crew management...but the good thing is the flak slot correspond to what you get ingame (2 guys per flak gun)

So only problem is the drawing mismatching...to me, it seems to be a type IXB (if i recall well, the basic IXB has one flak upstairs and one flak on deck)

Right now, i dunno how to fix it, nor if there is any IX A drawing available...so best for the moment is to ignore the drawings in crew management tab

Thanks Peter for reporting this

ÉDIT: if i knew where to find the drawing file within the tons of files, there is an easy fix i could do with photoshop...but i suspect type IXB share the same file with type IXA...so either one or other would have wrong drawing...

[THEBERBSTER]

Fifi

but the good thing is the flak slot correspond to what you get ingame (2 guys per flak gun)

That would be incorrect as each light flak gun only has 1 gunner.

Interesting Question! > Where does the problem lie?
2 crew slots is incorrect for 1 flak gun.
Why 2 crew slots, not 1?
You can see from the pictures that adding the second crew man to the flak gun makes no difference.




In this SH3 picture you can see 2 flak gunners for 2 winter gardens with a flak guns in each.




In this picture you can see 3 flak gunners for 2 flak guns
1 winter garden with 1 gunner.
1 deck mounted 37mm flak gun requires 2 gunners
This was the standard layout AFAIK for a type IX.




Peter

[Niume]

Originally Posted by Fifi

Second one is finished!

Here is the type IXB in 1944...and you can see he has a winter garden





Now will start an other one

Just like TYPE VIIC41 it has these weird tubes but in the conningtower. Maybe it's extra storage space?

[Fifi]

Yes, it looks like 4 external torpedoes storage

[Kaxii]

I am unsure about the Type IX, but in the case of the Type VII they are life raft containers added later on in the war (at the point when external torpedo storage began to be no longer used).