Oh wow, this is really really bad

[bstanko6]

Here is a crazy idea, what about us... Subsim?

Can't we develop a game to our standard?

I mean, Neal tagged along with Wolfpack, and look what happened there. A pretty damn good game.

And I know we have great guys here who are, were, or interested in game development.

Can we build our own superior sub simulator?

I have limited game knowledge, but I would gladly help!

[XLjedi]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

Here is a crazy idea, what about us... Subsim?

Can't we develop a game to our standard?

I mean, Neal tagged along with Wolfpack, and look what happened there. A pretty damn good game.

And I know we have great guys here who are, were, or interested in game development.

Can we build our own superior sub simulator?

I have limited game knowledge, but I would gladly help!

I'll give Wolfpack a try once they incorporate solo play options. I hear that's at least in the works... although I haven't been following it too closely. I would not be as excited for instance if they just programmed bots to do what the humans are doing now. Rather, I'd want playable stations that I can rapidly switch between.

[bstanko6]

You got to try the game with people it’s fun!

[XLjedi]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

You got to try the game with people it’s fun!

I'm sure it is... If it doesn't have solo though, it's a non-starter for me.

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by aaronblood

I'm sure it is... If it doesn't have solo though, it's a non-starter for me.

Well, it is solo-with-effort now. It doesn't take ages to switch between stations. You'll be there in mere seconds. At the most you'll spend a couple of seconds more going up the ladder in the conning-tower for the TDC or AP. (But nothing like Uboat where the crew is walking front to aft in their leisure time) And just as much time to go to the bridge and another stair further the deck gun. But you should be assured to be safe and have the time anyway if you want to go there.

I imagine the bots will allow you more focus on a task you choose while solo-playing. It is not a requirement to run the boat. Just that you have less to worry about and not as much stress to check the menial tasks. And if you have the experience of games like SHx/SC/DW or older hands-on sub-games then you'll know how to prioritize your actions a bit better than a complete newby to the genre.

And if you haven't already, just watch a few video's of how the game works. Granted, there are not so many videos (or I have not found them outside of here) where serious teams successfully attack a convoy.

[XLjedi]

Originally Posted by Pisces

Well, it is solo-with-effort now. It doesn't take ages to switch between stations. You'll be there in mere seconds.
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I imagine the bots will allow you more focus on a task you choose while solo-playing. It is not a requirement to run the boat.
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This is what I don't get... Granted, I have not played the game, but I would think, the way to accommodate solo play would be to forget bots and just add quick-travel icons for each station to the bottom of the screen. Or have a little window at each station to give access to certain commands like engine speed and helm control.

If they're going the route of bots... I don't want bots driving while I'm working out an attack course, or watching a target through the attack scope.

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by aaronblood

This is what I don't get... Granted, I have not played the game, but I would think, the way to accommodate solo play would be to forget bots and just add quick-travel icons for each station to the bottom of the screen. Or have a little window at each station to give access to certain commands like engine speed and helm control.

If they're going the route of bots... I don't want bots driving while I'm working out an attack course, or watching a target through the attack scope.

Ok, we will have to see how they implement it exactly in WP. I don't know either. But I'd rather have simple AI check whether the boat is still at periscope dept and adjust the diveplanes accordingly (uselessly because you set the EOT at Stop), than have to worry about that too while I am watching through the scope. Or have the helmsman keep steady course in bad weather while I am on the bridge looking out. The idea behind Wolfpack is team work and segregation of responsibilities (though not enforced). And hands-on controls for immersion enhancement. Adding all those UI elements would detract from the 3d environment you play in. I guess they will come back from that a bit to make it easier. But there is nothing from stopping you to become a control freak in this game by doing everything yourself.

p.s. It feels weird talking about another game in this forum. Feels a bit off topic.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by aaronblood

I'll give Wolfpack a try once they incorporate solo play options. I hear that's at least in the works... although I haven't been following it too closely. I would not be as excited for instance if they just programmed bots to do what the humans are doing now. Rather, I'd want playable stations that I can rapidly switch between.

That's the same approach I favor. Allow the player to manage as much as he wants but also give him/her the UI to set speed/depth/course so he can focus on scope observation and TDC when attacking, and hydrophones when evading. I play a lot by myself, it's tricky to find time to coordinate games with other players (outside of our excellent scheduled games) and except for the cumbersome running between the dive planes and the TDC in the conning tower, Wolfpack is an excellent solo player platform. Having a mode with the single player dashboard will really explode the game's potential.