The Future of Money: None

[Skybird]

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It seems you still need to carry your ego a bit longer.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It seems you still need to carry your ego a bit longer.

Thank you. I'll go check.

Originally Posted by Skybird

It seems you still need to carry your ego a bit longer.

it's interesting that you judged me without knowing me at all.

I thought you should know that.

Thesis on transcendence huh? You sure?
I'll go check to see if I'm still transcendent. Will report back within a week.

I suggest you check too. Just in case.

Originally Posted by Skybird

It seems you still need to carry your ego a bit longer.

I'm still transcendent, at least so 5 minutes ago. Please address me as 'The One' from now on. Thank you.

[Skybird]

[Sigh.]

While he entered the assembly hall with the monks, Huang-Po said: "The possession of many kinds of knowledge does not compare to giving up the search for them - that is the best of all things. There are no different kinds of mind, and there are no teachings that could be expressed in words. Since there is nothing to say, the assembly is hereby closed."

Said it, raised, and left.

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For somebody saying he transcended his ego, it nevertheless throws a long shadow on your life.

[Rockin Robbins]

If you are transcendent, then you would know that Chairman Mao tried your moneyless idea. It was called "The Great Leap Forward." China suffers to this day and millions, perhaps tens of millions were murdered by foreseeable consequences. Your "transcendent" wish would kill BILLIONS. There is no good in your transcendence, so therefore it is not a goal worth pursuing or a skill worth teaching. It is pure garbage. It is a dangerous psychosis, not wisdom.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Skybird

[Sigh.]
For somebody saying he transcended his ego, it nevertheless throws a long shadow on your life.

What an arrogance to say that when you don't know anything about my life.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

If you are transcendent, then you would know that Chairman Mao tried your moneyless idea. It was called "The Great Leap Forward." China suffers to this day and millions, perhaps tens of millions were murdered by foreseeable consequences. Your "transcendent" wish would kill BILLIONS. There is no good in your transcendence, so therefore it is not a goal worth pursuing or a skill worth teaching. It is pure garbage. It is a dangerous psychosis, not wisdom.

Dangerous psychosis, LOL. So, Maslow's transcendence is a psychosis, and the field of transpersonal psychology is studiying psychosis, LOL. You have a lot of fear, LOL.

Yes, it is so dangerous it made me unable to kill a bee today after knowing it is sentient and intelligent, LOL. Perhaps it is only dangerous to you. Back in 2009/10 I was tailed by an assassin in the Pluit area. A young man of Chinese descent (I suspect he was working for the Singapore's regime). His clothes were expensive looking and it was obvious that he lifted weights regularly. He was addicted to murdering people. He quickly veered to the left as soon as I turned my head towards him. A messed-up regime employing a messed-up man.
I don't know what would happen if I were not transcendent.

Obviously you don't understand transcendence. God is infinite potentiality being manifested in the finite: men, animals, the unseen, ET (though I haven't glimpsed an ET). How much of that infinite potentiality is realized in the finite is up to the individuals themselves.

So men may realize some degree of that infinite potentiality, the most notable is the potentiality of omnipresence and omniscience across space-time but it doesn't mean that those who do have infinite potential...

In a perfectly enlightened man perhaps there could be infinite omnipresence and omniscience (but then the omniscience is just another side of the same coin, it depends on information gained from the potentiality of omnipresence). In short, I haven't met a perfectly enlightened man with a fully realized infinite potentiality of God.

This transcendence or Self-remembrance is usually gained and lost right away. It may happen on a continual basis but it is transient. So, there is a limit to it due to the potentiality not being fully realized.

A moneyless society requires a world government. It cannot be applied to single countries. Otherwise, those countries would end up bartering with one another which is not a resource-based economy is.

Originally Posted by Castout

Back in 2009/10 I was tailed by an assassin in the Pluit area. A young man of Chinese descent (I suspect he was working for the Singapore's regime).

 

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Castout

What an arrogance to say that when you don't know anything about my life.

Sorry dude, but I have seen and had many spiritually searching people like you - people who endlessly let their oh so spiritually aware ego babble about how ego-less they are, while the mere fact that they endlessly talk about their ego shows that their ego not only is not gone like they claim, but enjoys formidable health and size, and truly parties while setting up its show.

There is a name for this. False prophets. And they are legions. And since I see them doing real damage and leading people astray with all their intellectual super-dooper laserlight show and esoteric practicing, I am neither very patient nor forgiving in calling them out as what they are. I had to learn a lot from theory and practice just to learn that I must unlearn all this ballast - you mistake monitoring physiology with satori and and claim you could prove enlightenment in a laboratory. Sorry man - no way.

You fish for attention and applaus, that simple it is. And unfortunately, very many half-baken wannabe-messiahs, false prophets do like that. To the disadvantage of those who fall for them.

You know what the following is from, do you.

The One Essence that could be known,
Is not the Essence of the Unknowable.
The idea that could be imagined,
Is not the image of the Eternal.
Nameless is All-One, is inner essence.
Known by names is the All-Many, is outer form.
Resting without desires means to learn the infinite inside.
Acting with desires means to stay by the limited outside.
All-the-One and All-the-Many are of the same origin,
different only in appearance and in name.
What they have in common is the wonder of being.
The secret of this wonder
Is the gate to all understanding.

The name of God is unpronouncable, say the Jews - so now stop making a fool of yourself by endlessly mounting words on words on words about your transcendence. Your ego still casts shadows as dark and undeniable as things can cast shadows. And the brighter you set the light of your transcendence to burn, the more contrasting this shadow will appear on the floor.

There is nothing to gain and nothing to acchieve in enlightenment. Nothing changes when you have enlightenment. More to know is not needed.

Sorry for being maybe rudely open, but you really ask for it.

[Castout]

Many people like me huh? Yet you don't even know me but claimed to have known me? One ignorant statement after another. Did I bruise your ego?
I never claimed about being ego-less. In fact, I wrote that it is impossible to annihilate the ego except in dreamless sleep or deep meditation where one forgets one's ego and time.

Wasn't it you who mentioned about egoless spirituality?

No, I didn't know that poem. It's beautiful.

Sorry for being rudely open? You have from a long time ago near the beginning tof this thread and well before...Don't be sorry, you're not sorry. I'm just reflecting your attitude here. You are not sorry and I'm not sorry...Well, I'm sorry for you but I'm not sorry for whatever I wrote here. You have no respect for me and I don't have any respect for you. So, the feeling is mutual although I don't share your condescending attitude. I don't desire the respect of anyone I have no respect for. So, no sorry is ever needed.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Castout

Many people like me huh? Yet you don't even know me but claimed to have known me? One ignorant statement after another. Did I bruise your ego?
I never claimed about being ego-less. In fact, I wrote that it is impossible to annihilate the ego except in dreamless sleep or deep meditation where one forgets one's ego and time.

Many people like you I have known who did the same thign like you: endlessly trying to cionvnce others how enlighted/satori-satisfied/transcended they are, ofteh in a bid to be accepted as kind of an authority on spiritual things - yes, many people I learnt like this, and you absolutely remind me of many of these. Some were students of mine, some where clients in other contexts, some were peope with whom i studied at university.

No, I didn't know that poem. It's beautiful.

No? Its the very first part of the Tao Te King, reworded in my own (German) words. I have many German and English translations, and millions, literally, are available via the internet, I happened to not really have liked any of these from A to Z, some things all of them seem to do wrong here and there, so I did it again and did it up to my taste. Chinese cannot be easily translated lineraly like French into English. Its a very different thing. I had help by a sineologist, of course.

Sorry for being rudely open? You have from a long time ago near the beginning tof this thread and well before...Don't be sorry, you're not sorry. I'm just reflecting your attitude here. You are not sorry and I'm not sorry...Well, I'm sorry for you but I'm not sorry for whatever I wrote here. You have no respect for me and I don't have any respect for you. So, the feeling is mutual although I don't share your condescending attitude. I don't desire the respect of anyone I have no respect for. So, no sorry is ever needed.

You were preaching, both on the economic argument, and on your transcendence thing. Sorry man, if somebody so stubbornly insists on himself being transcended, this is best evidence that he is not, and if he claims he can prove it under laboratory conditions, mistaking the monitoring of physiological variables with transcendence, this revelas a seriosu lack of understanding for the rules of scientifc work and interpretation, and experimental methodology.

For somebody claiming he transcended himself, you simply are too eager to make people believe you and applaude your deep insight and authority on things. I can assure you as a former psychologist: dont worry your ego, its strong and steaming with power. But ego and transcendence are mutually exclusive. Because transcendence means much more than altering physiological variables under lab conditions, nor do these "prove" anything more than just what they are: a display of altering physiological variables, the rest is just subjective interpretation, hear-say, wishful thinking at times. Maslow btw had little illusions about this, he would not agree with some of the claims you have made in here. Thats why it is so hard for science to actually prove "spiritualty"-related things and claims and observations. I have serious doubts that it can be done, but I still believe that it should be tried, religion must be an object of scientific examination, due to the enormous power it has over people and due to the poltical authority that is claimed on its grounds - if something has so much power to influence your life for the good or worse, you better have a very very very sharp look at it and leading it on a very short line.

Not favouring the noble,

And people do have no envy.
Not calling possessions a precious,
And people do have no greed.
Not holding what is desired in high esteem,
And people’s hearts stay unattached.

Therefore the wise man:
What people need, he gives.
What people desire, he refuses.
When people’s desires dwindle,
Their true inner strength appears.
Resting with a contented heart
Leaves intelligence innocent.
The deed is well-done,
When it’s wisdom has no ambition.
Acting without ambition,
And all good is caused all by itself

Too many too strong ambitions at your end, buddy.