See China's new fighter jet in action

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

But not so good against AIM and RIM-7 Sparrows

Depends on how many of them you have. Don't forget the highly technical and over-engineered Tiger tank and how well that worked when it was buried underneath T-34s.

[Oberon]

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Depends on how many of them you have. Don't forget the highly technical and over-engineered Tiger tank and how well that worked when it was buried underneath T-34s.

LOL that, I knew you'd come up with that but on a more serious note, I still believe they are lacking in quality and numbers.

Perhaps in a decade or so

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Perhaps in a decade or so

They're patient, so long as their economy doesn't collapse then they have time to spare.

[Commander Wallace]

It flies in the video and can maneuver. The real question is it's effectiveness in air combat. The U.S, U.K, France ,Russia and others have more experience with combat fighter aircraft. If China does close the gap then it may come down which country has the better air crew training regimen. The effectiveness of the missile armament is part of the equation as well.

By the way jim, the sparrow missile is a Aim-7. it's a medium-range semi-active radar homing air-to-air missile. I'm sure it was a typo.

[mapuc]

A little derailing from the main discussion

Someone mentioned Sparrow and AIM. Those AAW weapons was second, third and fourth generation AAW Weapons. The newest AIM 120D something is a fifth generation AAW weapons. the next generation is the Meteor

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by mapuc

A little derailing from the main discussion

Someone mentioned Sparrow and AIM. Those AAW weapons was second, third and fourth generation AAW Weapons. The newest AIM 120D something is a fifth generation AAW weapons. the next generation is the Meteor

Markus

The Aim-120 missile is an Amraam which is short for advanced medium range air to air missile.

The Meteor Missile is an active radar guided beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM)

Quote: MBDA is a European developer and manufacturer of missiles. It was formed by a merger of French Aérospatiale-Matra Missiles, Italian Alenia Marconi Systems and British Matra BAe Dynamics in December 2001. In 2015 the company had 10,000 employees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_(missile)

[Skybird]

The mhigher advanced general technology levels become, the smaller the tech gap between leading and trailing powers becomes.

And the more irrelevant pilot quality becomes. In WWII and Korea, dogfighting skills and team tactics were of paramount importance. With the ground-launched SAMs and plane-carried missiles, this importance already suffered a blow in Vietnam. Retraining pilots and adapting to the new thgreats, restablished that to some degree, but today missiles have a fail-safe quota and manouverability where human bodies and minds cannot compete anymore. Tehcnical adaption became even more important in defense against thgese wepoaons, but the more high tech gets distrubvuted on the globe, the lesser the advantages of those who technologically adapted first will be, and will shrink. The relevance of stealth fighters is niot as big anymore as it once was, thre advantage the Us had with these, is not as big anymore now that potential enemies have adapted to that in radar and missile technologies claimed to be potent enough to find stealthed aircraft (Russia).

I dare to make two predictions.

First, the decive wepaon of the next big wear will not be stealth aircraft and stealth ships, but RC-drones, cyberweapons, maybe even already autonomnous drones by then. The current fith egneraiton of fighter aircraft developed, possibly will be the last manned fighter aircraft ever being developed.

Second, the charm of superior numbers will become more important once again: the question who can suffer bigger losses without getting knocked out by them, the ability to replace losses, to be present in several places simultaneously - in physical, battle-potent presence. Tech advantages can compensate inferior numbers only to this or that degree, and not beyond that. And only if the tech leadership is sufficient enough. The smaller this lead is, the more relevant numbers become again.

(And numbers mean money. And money means the fiscal system and the messy state it is in. I think the forces needed to be victorious against China, the West will find impossible to fianbnce, since these forces must be buzild in peace times when the attractiveness of doing that is low - during war, the losses will increase rapidly, due to the lethality the next war will be fought with, and the aggressiveness).

The - I agree: very uncomfortable - conclusion? Logic demands that if this war is seen as inevitable anyway, we should launch it now while we still have a minor chance to win it. In the future we will find it impossible to win, most likely. If then we would not fight war and accept defeat, and we anticipate that already now, we agree already now in the porsent moiment to accept defeat and to give it all up and accept enemy's victory. Or does anyone believe China will hold back their ambitions? I once did, many years ago. I do not believe that anymore.

Life can be a bitch. But I am just stating the obvious conclusion.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

By the way jim, the sparrow missile is a Aim-7. it's a medium-range semi-active radar homing air-to-air missile.

It sure is, I was trying to give an example of the ground-launched SAMs and plane-carried missiles.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

It sure is, I was trying to give an example of the ground-launched SAMs and plane-carried missiles.

Considering your " Man Cave " has glass display cases filled with every combat aircraft imaginable, including helicopters, It would follow you would know about the weapons they carry as well.

The RIM-7 Sea Sparrow is based on the sparrow AA missile. The sparrow didn't perform well in Vietnam. The Sparrows have been continually improved with upgrades since then.

Thanks for the clarification Jim.

[Jimbuna]

No problem matey

The Meteor:

https://warisboring.com/the-best-air...fa8#.9957xowo3

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Depends on how many of them you have. Don't forget the highly technical and over-engineered Tiger tank and how well that worked when it was buried underneath T-34s.

Didn't Stalin say that quantity was a quality in itself?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Didn't Stalin say that quantity was a quality in itself?

They do say so, not to say that the T-34 didn't have a quality of its own, it was a damn fine tank, especially the 85mm version, and part of its excellence was the ease of manufacture. Same goes for the Sherman, you guys could crank those babies out in the thousands, and they weren't terrible tanks, despite what Wehraboos will say.
Ultimately what it boils down to is production, manpower and logistics. Get those three right and the odds improve.

Of course, that's only in a conventional war...