Who Started World War II? - Page 42

Dowly · 01-22-16, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

That's more of an opinion piece than a document, if I'm to be honest. The author's clear and obvious bias immediately makes it hard to take as a historical document.

Yep, and there are gems like the bit about Hitler being ready to back off (page 7). Fortunately, source is listed and can be found here, which tells a whole different story.

Sailor Steve · 01-22-16, 06:39 PM

The first thing I noticed in reading through this is the timing. The Mussolini plan. "Britain knew that Hitler didn't want to dismember Poland."

My attention was drawn to the condition set by Britain that German troops be withdrawn. That brings to light the problem that all this is taking place on September 2, after Germany has invaded Poland. It's a form of special pleading to invade another country and then blame someone trying to help that country for "wanting war".

Jimbuna · 01-22-16, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Come on now....I think there are more than a few that believe you are better 'versed' than that.

Give said individual the chance to make a case for whatever.

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 01-23-16, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Translation errors.

Thanks to a very kind english speaker, there must be only a few translation errors. But "errare humanum est".

Part 4.
On the picture : How France hid to the public // and not "was hidden".

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I'll read it. But for now, may I ask WHY this has to be provided as a bunch of PNG files rather than a single Word or PDF format? This makes it substantially harder to read!

Second, I will notice that you taken a lot of time to work through 15 pages. Realistically, I just don't see you finishing your 2nd proof before the 26th.

Let me offer a suggestion. Why don't you write up your 2nd translation in Google Docs and just stick the link here. That way, we can see you working as you translate and we can immediately offer our suggestions and comments to the parts that are finished.

Fahnenbohn · 01-23-16, 05:23 AM

@ Aktungbby : "This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years" (Marshal Foch).

Yes, very representative of the spirit of the times : a marked hostility towards Germany, and the will to weaken her as much as possible. How could peace be possible in these conditions ??

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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Second, I will notice that you taken a lot of time to work through 15 pages. Realistically, I just don't see you finishing your 2nd proof before the 26th.

Why "before the 26th" ? I proved that I was not lying about the first document. Why would I lie about the second one ? This thread has no more reason to be closed. And besides, I still have two other documents about WW1 to translate. See post 1.

Oberon · 01-23-16, 08:16 AM

Well, when 4.3% of your population is killed in a war, you really can't harbour much in the way of happiness and love towards the nation that killed them.

Jimbuna · 01-23-16, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

I'll read it. But for now, may I ask WHY this has to be provided as a bunch of PNG files rather than a single Word or PDF format? This makes it substantially harder to read!

Second, I will notice that you taken a lot of time to work through 15 pages. Realistically, I just don't see you finishing your 2nd proof before the 26th.

Let me offer a suggestion. Why don't you write up your 2nd translation in Google Docs and just stick the link here. That way, we can see you working as you translate and we can immediately offer our suggestions and comments to the parts that are finished.

Great idea.

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Why "before the 26th" ? I proved that I was not lying about the first document. Why would I lie about the second one ? This thread has no more reason to be closed. And besides, I still have two other documents about WW1 to translate. See post 1.

See my post quoted below #558 21st January.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

It has already been stated...

That time is shortly after 18:00 GMT on Tuesday 26th.

Probably most definitely not but we did agree earlier that he would be given the chance to put his case forward provided he didn't breach the forum rules.

I'm on Skype atm if you're able.

And reiterated below #591 22nd.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Be advised...

The 27th of January brings with it an event in the UK of quite some significance to a great many.

So, it would be greatly appreciated if everything was sorted by then. The thread whilst being locked will still be viewable for people to read.

Fahnenbohn · 01-23-16, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

So, it would be greatly appreciated if everything was sorted by then. The thread whilst being locked will still be viewable for people to read.

I fear it's impossible. I have about 50 pages to translate (see post 1 of this thread). And why not let people add some remarks ? Isn't it a debate ?

I need a month to achieve my work.

Jimbuna · 01-23-16, 11:07 AM

Look, there has been ample time given and quite a considerable amount of angst during the whole process.

SubSim have provided the platform and the audience so I think the least you can do is consider the much quicker process as suggested in #619 by Kazuaki Shimazaki II.

Aktungbby · 01-23-16, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

@ Aktungbby : "This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years" (Marshal Foch).

HUH WHAT! I'm cluelessly Foch'd here! A little Nacht und Nebel perhaps

Fahnenbohn · 01-23-16, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Look, there has been ample time given and quite a considerable amount of angst during the whole process.

SubSim have provided the platform and the audience so I think the least you can do is consider the much quicker process as suggested in #619 by Kazuaki Shimazaki II.

Are you trying to make me abandon ? Are you afraid of hearing other disturbing stories ? ...

I remind you that it's not me who decided to start this thread, English is not my native language. Otherwise, I may just publish documents in French ...

I do not consider myself obliged to spend all my free time to translate those documents. This will be done, but not within the time limit.

And again, I don't see any reason to close this thread ...

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Oberon · 01-23-16, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

HUH WHAT! I'm cluelessly Foch'd here! A little Nacht und Nebel perhaps

Onkel Neal · 01-23-16, 12:25 PM

I don't see the image

Catfish · 01-23-16, 02:21 PM

^ it's intentionally very foggy

A Nebelwerfer, but called so since its inventor was a Mister Nebel.
And it "werfs" grenades, of course

Oberon · 01-23-16, 02:38 PM

Still....could be worse:

01-22-16, 06:39 PM	#617
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The first thing I noticed in reading through this is the timing. The Mussolini plan. "Britain knew that Hitler didn't want to dismember Poland." My attention was drawn to the condition set by Britain that German troops be withdrawn. That brings to light the problem that all this is taking place on September 2, after Germany has invaded Poland. It's a form of special pleading to invade another country and then blame someone trying to help that country for "wanting war". __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,818 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Look, there has been ample time given and quite a considerable amount of angst during the whole process. SubSim have provided the platform and the audience so I think the least you can do is consider the much quicker process as suggested in #619 by Kazuaki Shimazaki II. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,799 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ it's intentionally very foggy A Nebelwerfer, but called so since its inventor was a Mister Nebel. And it "werfs" grenades, of course __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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01-23-16, 08:16 AM	#621
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Well, when 4.3% of your population is killed in a war, you really can't harbour much in the way of happiness and love towards the nation that killed them.

01-23-16, 02:38 PM	#630
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Still....could be worse: