Who Started World War II?

[Fahnenbohn]

I dont agree at all.

Originally Posted by Betonov

No nazis without German defeat in WW1.

No nazis without Treaty of Versailles.

Originally Posted by Betonov

No WW1 without colonial tensions

No WW1 without ... wait for my presentation !

Originally Posted by Betonov

No colonial tensions without a unified Germany.

As Hitler said : " If forty-six million Englishmen claim the right to rule over forty million square kilometers of the earth, it cannot be wrong for eighty-two million Germans to demand the right to live on 800,000 square kilometers ".

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

No nazis without Treaty of Versailles.

While I don't think that Nazi ideology would necessarily not have developed without the Treaty of Versailles, it would have been less likely for them to come into power.

Originally Posted by Joefour

So why didn't Britain declare war ALSO on the Soviet Union for invading Poland from the east? Instead, she allied herself with the russians. Makes no logical sense to me whatsoever, that is, unless something else was going on that we don't know about. Perhaps this should be explored too.

Britain didn't ally itself with the Soviet Union at the time, it (and France) just failed to declare war on it. This was likely a pragmatic decision to avoid cementing a German-Soviet alliance or fighting a two-front war.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

While I don't think that Nazi ideology would necessarily not have developed without the Treaty of Versailles, it would have been less likely for them to come into power.

Yes, sure. One thing : Nazism was NOT an ideology, but a pragmatic policy to get out of the deadly ideologies of capitalism and communism. But this is another debate.


(... against high finance and marxism)

Originally Posted by Raptor1

Britain didn't ally itself with the Soviet Union at the time, it (and France) just failed to declare war on it. This was likely a pragmatic decision to avoid cementing a German-Soviet alliance or fighting a two-front war.

Really, do you think that war was a solution to solve the problem between Germany and Poland ?

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Yes, sure. One thing : Nazism was NOT an ideology, but a pragmatic policy .....

I call it rule by gangsters plain and simple. If your opponent disagrees with you kill him or put him in prison. Totalitarianism. Nothing less. And you like this?

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by u crank

If your opponent disagrees with you kill him or put him in prison.

You're talking about the communists ? They were preparing a violent revolution. So, they had to be locked up in the interests of public safety. Most of the German communists became nazis when they saw how great was the change in Germany.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

You're talking about the communists ? They were preparing a violent revolution. So, they had to be locked up in the interests of public safety. Most of the German communists became nazis when they saw how great was the change in Germany.

As opposed to the completely bloodless way that the National Socialist party came to power....