Who Started World War II?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I want to see if it's possible to have a civil discussion about this.

Formally, maybe.

Whether it is worth anything, and tolerates the right guest, is something totally different.

Sometimes its better to scare evil off in the first, instead of trying to maintain an appearance of decency about it.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sometimes its better to scare evil off in the first, instead of trying to maintain an appearance of decency about it.

I would agree ordinarily but it depends on your definition of evil.

That being said, judging by an off-hand comment made by the OP I'd wager that he will fall into the category of Holocaust disagreer in terms of the amount of fatalities, if not an outright denier.
This puts him in contradiction to Subsims rules as stated in:

Subsim allows for a wide range of opinions, politics, and attitudes but we do not accept members who are associated with hate groups. Examples include but are not limited to Neo-Nazi groups, Westboro Baptist Church types, racist supremacists, Klansmen, black militants, Islamic militants, Jewish conspiracists, anti-Semites, posting links to racist music, propaganda denying the Holocaust.

But since he's not outrightly denying it, or is he claiming to be a Neo-Nazi then he's not actually violating any rules as far as I can see it. Ultimately though that will be up to Steve and Neal to decide.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Oberon

That being said, judging by an off-hand comment made by the OP I'd wager that he will fall into the category of Holocaust disagreer in terms of the amount of fatalities, if not an outright denier.

Maybe, and maybe not. Fahnenbohn and I have already discussed that privately. This thread is to be about the causes leading to the war, who started it and nothing more.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Oberon

.....But since he's not outrightly denying it, or is he claiming to be a Neo-Nazi then he's not actually violating any rules as far as I can see it. Ultimately though that will be up to Steve and Neal to decide.

Cheers, Oberon. I see this topic as silly and harmless at this point. Borderline trolling, but shrug.

Anyway, there may be some few people in the world who want to argue about who "started" WWII, but I can tell you who finished it.

[August]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Anyway, there may be some few people in the world who want to argue about who "started" WWII, but I can tell you who finished it.

BOOM there it is!

[ikalugin]

This argument is a bit too heated it seems. How about I contribute to defuse the tension?

So here it goes:
- WW2 was a fault of Poland for rejecting Soviet alliance. Should it have allied itself on good terms with the USSR, then far fewer people would have died in WW2 (Polish people included) and their post WW2 fate would have been better.

After all even if you do view USSR and communism as a horrible, totalitarian place to live, living is better than not living.

[August]

You got it all wrong. Obviously WW2 was the fault of George Bush.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

You got it all wrong. Obviously WW2 was the fault of George Bush.

Which one of them?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

You got it all wrong. Obviously WW2 was the fault of George Bush.

Damn, you stole my joke.

I was gunna blame "W", Halliburton, Cheney. Did I miss anyone?
Oh, yeah....Forgot Steed!

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

This argument is a bit too heated it seems. How about I contribute to defuse the tension?

So here it goes:
- WW2 was a fault of Poland for rejecting Soviet alliance.

Would that be the same Soviets that attacked Warsaw and were defeated nineteen years prior?

[ikalugin]

Would that be the same Soviets that attacked Warsaw and were defeated nineteen years prior?

Same Soviets.
Same Russians that have partitioned Poland with Germans and Austrians.
Same Poles that were sitting in My Kremlin 336 years before the events of 1939 (discounting Polish troops under Napoleon).

One could always dig deeper. Plus in 1939 Poles were dreaming about a great empire of sorts and didn't know about General Plan East. So that suggestion was entirely retrospective.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Would that be the same Soviets that attacked Warsaw and were defeated nineteen years prior?

Defeat? There's no such thing as defeat in the the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics it was just to fool the Poles that they could actually win over the Soviets and where proven horribly wrong years later.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Cheers, Oberon. I see this topic as silly and harmless at this point. Borderline trolling, but shrug.

Anyway, there may be some few people in the world who want to argue about who "started" WWII, but I can tell you who finished it.

The Soviets, by liberating Manchuria, removing the sole IJ territory outside of Metropoly and murdering hope of conditional surrender via negotiations with the USSR?

(I post for sport)

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Anyway, there may be some few people in the world who want to argue about who "started" WWII, but I can tell you who finished it.

You can tell us when it's actually over

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/eas...i-peace-treaty

[ikalugin]

Japanese are just slow. Remember all those people on random islands, who believed that the active shooting war was still ongoing decades after the autumn of 1945?