Who Started World War II?

[Tchocky]

Yeah I guess the Sudetendeutsches Freikorps accidentally murdered Czech policemen and the orders they received from the Nazi regime were meant as jokes.

Take it elsewhere.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Yeah I guess the Sudetendeutsches Freikorps accidentally murdered Czech policemen and the orders they received from the Nazi regime were meant as jokes.

I don't know the context, but this is right that there were tensions : you can't force people who don't want to live together to do so !

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

I don't know the context, but this is right that there were tensions : you can't force people who don't want to live together to do so !

You don't know the context? Why am I not surprised.

At the end of your post that was about the Sudeten Germans, you said the following to Cybermat47 -

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

-> It's obvious that you don't know the subject at all !

Open a book before telling other people they're uninformed. All you're doing is embarrassing yourself.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

You don't know the context? Why am I not surprised. Open a book before telling other people they're uninformed. All you're doing is embarrassing yourself.

Sorry, but I can't know all the thousands minor facts. If you want to be useful, please tell what you know, and also how (what documents you have read) you know it. I'm sure you don't tell the story in an honest and impartial way. Last thing, this is not the debate.

[Tchocky]

Mate, if you're trolling then 10/10. If you're being serious then this is a particularly ugly sort of historical revisionism.


The Nazi-trained, equipped, and directed terrorist organisation with almost 35,000 members that attempted a putsch in Czechoslovakia is NOT A MINOR FACT.


Seriously, stop it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudete...ches_Freikorps


EDIT - I see your edit and this is just sad.

I'm sure you don't tell the story in an honest and impartial way.

"I don't know anything about what you're talking about but I'm sure you're wrong",

For God's sake.

Last thing, this is not the debate.

Nice of you to let me know what I'm allowed to say. Funny the way fascists like to shut people up.

You're almost correct though, this is not a debate. This is you promoting a sick version of historical events designed to assuage those who worship psychopaths. And you're not even good at it.

[Fahnenbohn]

Instead of insulting me, just say to me : "this are the facts I would like you to know, and here are the sources. And this is why I consider this is something important, etc."

My question : Why was this Freikorps created ?

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Nice of you to let me know what I'm allowed to say. Funny the way fascists like to shut people up. You're almost correct though, this is not a debate. This is you promoting a sick version of historical events designed to assuage those who worship psychopaths. And you're not even good at it.

I'm requesting the moderator to stop this sort of hateful posts. Where is the debate in this post ? Nowhere, except a link (wikipedia), all the rest is useless and disrespecting. If this sort of posts are still allowed, then I stop immediately the debate.

F.

PS : I'm writting an answer to Jimbuna and Oberon, but this takes time, because I do the effort to understand the other side, write arguments, and search for sources. I don't insult, unlike some people here.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Instead of insulting me, just say to me : "this are the facts I would like you to know, and here are the sources. And this is why I consider this is something important, etc."

Oh don't even start with this garbage.

The reason I'm not doing that is because you were dismissive to a poster previously, asserting that they didn't know anything about the issue at hand. In your next post you show you didn't know anything about a major element of that historical period. Then you referred to the FS as a minor detail. Ten seconds of research would have told you they are not minor.

Your next move was to tell me that no matter how little you knew about the subject, I was definitely lying to you and misrepresenting history.

So there you are, assuming someone is wrong because they know something you don't.

This tells me you are not someone I should be too concerned about being nice to.

My question : Why was this Freikorps created ?

They were the paramilitary wing of the Sudeten German party. Very much akin to the SA. Do your own homework. Proper sources this time.

I'm requesting the moderator to stop this sort of hateful posts. Where is the debate in this post ? Nowhere, except a link (wikipedia), all the rest is useless and disrespecting.

Oh come on.

You're pushing a version of history that is only found in a few very particular places. Pointing this out isn't an insult, nor is it disrespectful.

You do that all by yourself.

If this sort of posts are still allowed, then I stop immediately the debate.

And nothing of value was lost.

this takes time, because I do the effort to understand the other side, write arguments, and search for sources. I don't insult, unlike some people here.

No you don't.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Nice of you to let me know what I'm allowed to say. Funny the way fascists like to shut people up.

This is my first informal warning. Name-calling and personal attacks add nothing to the debate and will not be allowed.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

This is my first informal warning. Name-calling and personal attacks add nothing to the debate and will not be allowed.

I'll be good.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Sorry, but I can't know all the thousands minor facts. If you want to be useful, please tell what you know, and also how (what documents you have read) you know it. I'm sure you don't tell the story in an honest and impartial way. Last thing, this is not the debate.

Fahnenbon, I'm not sure what compels you to ignore a universe of accepted history, but I'm sure it would be interesting. I think you only have to read Mein Kampf to get the answer, straight from the man who engineered WWII.

[August]

I gotta get another Indiana Jones picture.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

I gotta get another Indiana Jones picture.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I think you only have to read Mein Kampf to get the answer, straight from the man who engineered WWII.

This argument is not valid. Mein Kampf was written long before Hitler came to power. The context was very different ! His book was a fighting book to galvanize his troops. His goal was to gain power. Once chancellor, he took into account the international context to act reasonably.

Hitler said himself to a journalist who was asking him about Mein Kampf : "I won't correct Mein Kampf by a new edition, but in the great book of History" (= by my own acts).

[Tchocky]

Jesus.

[Fahnenbohn]

If you want to convince me that Germany was responsible for the war :

-> Prove to me that Poland has accepted peaceful negotiations with Hitler about Danzig Corridor, or prove to me that these negotiations were intolerable for Poland.

-> Prove to me that Hitler made no offers of peace in October 1939.

-> Prove to me that Britain and France accepted a conference with Germany to discuss the fate of Poland in october, 1939.

-> Prove to me that the treaty with Poland was still valid in September 1939.

-> Prove to me that the war was declared constitutionally in France.

I am alone to answer everyone, and I don't have enough time to do it. So now, I'm going to answer in French only, I'm loosing too much time to translate in two directions. Do as I do : use google translation !