Gun Control thread (merged many)

Buddahaid · 10-01-15, 08:20 PM

It's just venting. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible owners, and when these high profile shootings occur, we are upset because it's one more brick in the wall of ban. I've experienced too many things that are now outlawed because of the few who abuse their privileges and I don't want gun ownership to be added to that list as well.

The reality is you can't prevent all determined people from doing whatever evil scheme they dream up even in the most restrictive environments. I don't think there really is a solution, or if there is one, it's worse than the problem it's designed to correct.

August · 10-01-15, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

It's just venting. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible owners, and when these high profile shootings occur, we are upset because it's one more brick in the wall of ban. I've experienced too many things that are now outlawed because of the few who abuse their privileges and I don't want gun ownership to be added to that list as well.

The reality is you can't prevent all determined people from doing whatever evil scheme they dream up even in the most restrictive environments. I don't think there really is a solution, or if there is one, it's worse than the problem it's designed to correct.

Well said.

10-01-15, 10:32 PM

Buddahaid · 10-01-15, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Then what would you BELIEVE? What is your solution then and how would it work? Maybe the differing attitude comes from growing up with, or without guns in the house. It doesn't bother me that there are and it's perfectly normal feeling.

10-01-15, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Then what would you BELIEVE? What is your solution then and how would it work? Maybe the differing attitude comes from growing up with, or without guns in the house. It doesn't bother me that there are and it's perfectly normal feeling.

Err, what? Next time maybe watch the video I linked?
The video isn't about guns, it is showing how ridiculously stupid our media is these days, reporting about something they do not know and do not understand - yet making crap up "educating" people.

Maybe you need to google what 4Chan is to understand, not sure, but to me this is extremely cringe worthy.

Speaking of videos, here is Obama's statement regarding the shooting.
Think of him what you want, but it is hard to disagree with what he says... oh no what did I just do...

Buddahaid · 10-02-15, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Err, what? Next time maybe watch the video I linked?
The video isn't about guns, it is showing how ridiculously stupid our media is these days, reporting about something they do not know and do not understand - yet making crap up "educating" people.

Maybe you need to google what 4Chan is to understand, not sure, but to me this is extremely cringe worthy.

Speaking of videos, here is Obama's statement regarding the shooting.
Think of him what you want, but it is hard to disagree with what he says... oh no what did I just do...

OK. Reset. I didn't watch the link so we are arguing from different standpoints......

Please Stand By.........

Oberon · 10-02-15, 05:42 AM

Turns out that the 4chan link was false anyway, it wasn't the same guy who posted on the board.

Anyway, I hear the response that restricting guns won't stop the people who want to do this kind of thing from doing it a lot, so let's examine that.

Obama made a comment back in June that the US was the only nation in the world where this kind of thing happens and happens so often. He was only half correct. Certainly other nations suffer from mass killings, and by mass killings I define this as incidents when more than 3-4 people are killed by one or more people. Putting aside terrorist incidents for a moment, if you look at figures, such as those posted by politifact:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nt-happen-oth/

You'll see that while the number per population may not put US that highly, nor per 100k...the frequency in which it happens far outweighs the other denominating factors.
In short, whilst other nations may have had more killings, the frequency in which they happen in the United States, to the extent where it is treated almost as norm by many of its populace, that is a factor that really does deserve examining. In fact, if one takes a mass shooting to mean that four or more people are shot, including the shooter, than the US has had more mass shootings than it has had days in this current year. (source: http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015 )
Now, outside of war-zones and failed states, I don't think there are any nations you can put a similar figure on, certainly none in the western world.
Why is this? Well, to try and find out the answer to this, I think that a comparison between the US and other westernised nations need to be made, and that comparison needs to look at the following:

1) Access to firearms and weaponry
2) Access to mental health care
3) Media reporting

Now, one can argue about the state of youth culture, but that's a problem that is hardly unique to the United States.

In all the furor we make about hunting down terrorists, all the money spent, all the fuss about the dangers of radical Islam and the possibility of a Muslim kid making a bomb...more people have died in America through shootings than have died through terrorism over the past decade.
That's not right, guys, and I know you don't need people from outside the country to tell you this, you all know this already...and yet here we are, on a frequent basis, having this same conversation. Would any other nation have let this carry on for as long as it has?

I've said my piece, and no doubt I'll get shat on for saying it, but please America...stop killing yourselves.

Hawk66 · 10-02-15, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

It's just venting. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible owners, and when these high profile shootings occur, we are upset because it's one more brick in the wall of ban. I've experienced too many things that are now outlawed because of the few who abuse their privileges and I don't want gun ownership to be added to that list as well.

The reality is you can't prevent all determined people from doing whatever evil scheme they dream up even in the most restrictive environments. I don't think there really is a solution, or if there is one, it's worse than the problem it's designed to correct.

Frankly, I do not think this is true....just have a look around the world and statistics and you will see that just tragedys are not evenly distributed. And I am not considering non-democratic countries.

Every society seems to have its irrational, beloved, thing. In Germany it's the crazy driving on the autobahn without speed limits. When you think rational about it, it makes no sense....
In the U.S. it's the gun.

Interestingly both topics have similar root causes. In both cases there is a big (commercial) lobby behind it, which has managed to emotionalize the topic and 'auto-spreading' the idea from generation to generation. Even the reaction if someone tries to question it, is often very similar: It's not to be discussed since I am free and this is my right...

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Turns out that the 4chan link was false anyway, it wasn't the same guy who posted on the board. Anyway, I hear the response that restricting guns won't stop the people who want to do this kind of thing from doing it a lot, so let's examine that. Obama made a comment back in June that the US was the only nation in the world where this kind of thing happens and happens so often. He was only half correct. Certainly other nations suffer from mass killings, and by mass killings I define this as incidents when more than 3-4 people are killed by one or more people. Putting aside terrorist incidents for a moment, if you look at figures, such as those posted by politifact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nt-happen-oth/ You'll see that while the number per population may not put US that highly, nor per 100k...the frequency in which it happens far outweighs the other denominating factors. In short, whilst other nations may have had more killings, the frequency in which they happen in the United States, to the extent where it is treated almost as norm by many of its populace, that is a factor that really does deserve examining. In fact, if one takes a mass shooting to mean that four or more people are shot, including the shooter, than the US has had more mass shootings than it has had days in this current year. (source: http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015 ) Now, outside of war-zones and failed states, I don't think there are any nations you can put a similar figure on, certainly none in the western world. Why is this? Well, to try and find out the answer to this, I think that a comparison between the US and other westernised nations need to be made, and that comparison needs to look at the following: 1) Access to firearms and weaponry 2) Access to mental health care 3) Media reporting Now, one can argue about the state of youth culture, but that's a problem that is hardly unique to the United States. In all the furor we make about hunting down terrorists, all the money spent, all the fuss about the dangers of radical Islam and the possibility of a Muslim kid making a bomb...more people have died in America through shootings than have died through terrorism over the past decade. That's not right, guys, and I know you don't need people from outside the country to tell you this, you all know this already...and yet here we are, on a frequent basis, having this same conversation. Would any other nation have let this carry on for as long as it has? I've said my piece, and no doubt I'll get shat on for saying it, but please America...stop killing yourselves.