At this moment, 150 years ago...

[Aktungbby]

The issue of the president's power is clearly stated in the Constitution "Article One, Section 9, clause 2, which demands that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." If a debate is to be held on this point by any 'enlightened' poster one cannot pick only the part of the argument that supports his side of the issue. To accuse A. Lincoln of tyranny is a one-sided view..."In the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis also suspended habeas corpus and imposed martial law. This was in part to maintain order and spur industrial growth in the South to compensate for the economic loss inflicted by its secession." both presidents were thus tyrants alike and one cannot fairly distinguish which was the worse. Sic Semper Tyrannis BBY. As shouted by john wilkes booth at Ford's Theatre..as he literally "broke a leg" onstage'

[Oberon]

[August]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

I think it wouldn't have just been that one civil war I'm affraid.

I think you're right. If the south had been allowed to go off on it's own then there would have been a second war within a decade over who got what in the west.

Also the southern states united against the union to fight the civil war but it was always a coalition of convenience. I doubt the Confederacy would have lasted long after a southern victory. The states were far too independent minded and with it's dissolution would come even more opportunities for conflict.

[Onkel Neal]

I'm from the South, er, Texas. In my opinion, the Civil War was a terrible waste over a bad cause that was doomed eventually. I wish Texas had followed the wise advise of Sam Houston. There are people today who romanticize the War 'Gainst Northern Aggression and the chivalry of the South. So what? Let them have their opinion. As long as they express it with tact and civility, that's their business. Tolerance and diversity. remember?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

No, cowards like yourself make us look bad.The apologists and those who stay quiet and refuse to call out the worship of a tyrant.That was the point of the post, a tyrant fell 150 years ago last night.Never forgive and never forget.

You need to rethink calling people names.

[Onkel Neal]

I've had an in depth read of this thread and the questions that spring to my mind are:

Are you trolling?

Are you using hate speech?

Are you insulting other forum members?

Are you resorting to name calling?

The answers to the first two are on the borderline in my opinion but the answers to the third and fourth are a definite YES.

Keep within the acceptable norms if you'd be so kind and can we ALL try to ensure that is the case for everyone.

Very well put, thanks Jim.

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

the only constructive thing i have to say about Lincoln at this point is that i did have fun playing with his logs when i was a kid

Love it!