Glad to see majority of Israeli voters...

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

[citation needed]

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Outside influence?

Umm... did Obama speak before the Knesset? No, I think it was the other way around. But I guess that kind of outside influence is A-OK.

And yes, what a great man Netanyahu is. I mean, he must be great to claim to speak for all Jews, right?

I hope he holds to his promise to keep building illegal settlements, and to never allow a Palestinian state. And I really hope he holds on to his Foreign Minister (who doesn't even live in Israel, but in a settlement) who said that "disloyal" Israeli citizens should be beheaded.

Truly, what a wonderful ally we have in the Israeli government.

Netanyahu was INVITED by the Speaker of the House to address Congress in order to attempt to warn everyone of the danger this naive "deal" poses to Israel, the United States, and the world as a whole since there is no reasoning with our terrible President.

Despite the claims, Boehner was well within his rights to do so, the President is not king, has no special power to invite and not invite leaders of other countries.Congress is a separate branch and while "protocol" usually dictates otherwise, this was a special circumstance and highly justified, it was a great speech that caught a lot of attention and showed the bums in the white house most people get it and are not on board with their dangerous policy of appeasement.

Obama's influence was sending the same shysters that helped get him elected to Israel to try and build a machine to defeat Netanyahu because he has made Obama appear what he is when it comes to this issue and clearly shown his dislike for Israel and Netanyahu.Along with that operation is money brought in and the "busing" tactics(I will never forget news showing busloads of ignorant people who had no business voting really during the 2008 election) Netanyahu mentioned the day of the election.They tried to play the race card, but it was a simple fact that outside organizations were trying to manipulate the outcome and a key element in the effort was obama via his cronies.Obama is smart in the sense he knows to keep enough distance he can't be directly linked, plausible deniability is a key thing for him.

Bottom link, was invited to speak and make a legitimate plea to stop a dangerous deal, while other was dirty political effort to interfere in a country's election.Really, apples and oranges when you compare the two.


No, Netanyahu does not speak for all Jews, but he along with those who seem to face reality, understand you can not barter with these people, have his nations best interest at heart.

I hope he stands firm to not allowing a Palestinian state as well, that was always the most ridiculous idea anyways.That land is Israel, the end.Multiple wars have been fought of the years and Israel has endured, overcome, and earned the right to exist. Everyone does not get a trophy, the end.

"Illegal settlements" Again, Israel.

The beheaded comment, not sure if he was serious, bit extreme but understand his view. They are unique situation, surrounded by savages and must stay vigilant.Those who advocate appeasement and giving in to the will of those who seek to wipe them out simply because they claim they want peace, see his point.Disagree but to each their own and not something that has or will happen.

Israel is our one friend in that part of the world.They are a civilized people in a sea a barbarians that have earned the right to exist there time and time again.Our relationship is harmed at the moment due to the anti israeli mentality of the president.While not PC, his Islamic upbringing has really come out as of late.While I personally believe he is an atheist and the christian bit if for publicity, he does have more sympathies towards islam and followers than he would towards the jews.Aside from statements made his his first book, his actions have shown so.

Other Presidents have had disagreements with Israel, it is bound to happen but never seen it like this, I could be wrong have not been around as long as some of you but from what I can tell, like everything with obama, this is different and not in a good way.

[Oberon]

Well, to be fair, it doesn't say anywhere in the constitution that the US has to be best friends with Israel, it's been an alliance of convenience, like all alliances.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Oberon

OH I hate this "Native" grievance crap that has started in social media last few years.

Sorry but they were not a sovereign nation, this land was wide open and filled with indigenous peoples who were doing rain dances.Wars were fought and they were conquered, it happens.While anyone can admit they were not treated as well as should have been, they were not exactly innocent, the name savage was earned many times over.Clash of civilizations and they lost.Sad but happens but memes like that are just ignorant and comparing two different issues.

People here not actually are ILLEGAL immigrants seeing as this is a sovereign nation with borders and laws.Way different situation when europeans arrived here and lands were settled over time.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Despite the claims, Boehner was well within his rights to do so, the President is not king, has no special power to invite and not invite leaders of other countries.

Nobody said Boehner didn't have the right to do it - the difference is that it had never been done like this before and can clearly be construed as muscling in on the executive branch agency on foreign policy. Endy story.

Congress is a separate branch and while "protocol" usually dictates otherwise, this was a special circumstance and highly justified

Why, Netanyahu has been saying Iran is a year away from a bomb for decades. Even Mossad disagree with him. The speech offered absolutely no alternative or proper criticism. It was boilerplate stuff designed for the electorate back in Israel.

it was a great speech that caught a lot of attention and showed the bums in the white house most people get it and are not on board with their dangerous policy of appeasement.

What do you think the word appeasement means?

Obama's influence was sending the same shysters that helped get him elected to Israel to try and build a machine to defeat Netanyahu because he has made Obama appear what he is when it comes to this issue and clearly shown his dislike for Israel and Netanyahu.

[citation needed]

Along with that operation is money brought in and the "busing" tactics(I will never forget news showing busloads of ignorant people who had no business voting really during the 2008 election)

I don't often get morally indignant but what the hell do you mean by this?

Netanyahu mentioned the day of the election.They tried to play the race card, but it was a simple fact that outside organizations were trying to manipulate the outcome and a key element in the effort was obama via his cronies.

[citation needed]

Also if you want to talk about politicians exploiting racial fears....

Originally Posted by Tmes of Israel

the Likud party “expressed concern over the high percentage of voting in the Arab sector” and went on to direct attention to a short video clip uploaded to Netanyahu’s personal Facebook account in which the prime minister lamented the same issue.

Obama is smart in the sense he knows to keep enough distance he can't be directly linked, plausible deniability is a key thing for him.

That's handy for your argument.

"Illegal settlements" Again, Israel.

The beheaded comment, not sure if he was serious, bit extreme but understand his view. They are unique situation, surrounded by savages and must stay vigilant.

Stop it with this. Stop it now.

Israel is our one friend in that part of the world.They are a civilized people in a sea a barbarians that have earned the right to exist there time and time again.

Talk like a grown-up.

Other Presidents have had disagreements with Israel, it is bound to happen but never seen it like this, I could be wrong have not been around as long as some of you but from what I can tell, like everything with obama, this is different and not in a good way.

I hope I'm wrong about what this sentence means.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

OH I hate this "Native" grievance crap that has started in social media last few years.

Sorry but they were not a sovereign nation, this land was wide open and filled with indigenous peoples who were doing rain dances.Wars were fought and they were conquered, it happens.While anyone can admit they were not treated as well as should have been, they were not exactly innocent, the name savage was earned many times over.Clash of civilizations and they lost.Sad but happens but memes like that are just ignorant and comparing two different issues.

People here not actually are ILLEGAL immigrants seeing as this is a sovereign nation with borders and laws.Way different situation when europeans arrived here and lands were settled over time.

What defines a sovereign nation? There was the Great Sioux Nation, the Iron Confederacy, the Blackfoot Confederacy. They may not have had city halls or taxes, but they were still a nation, no less than the tribes of Africa, South America and Australia. We conquered and exploited. We land-grabbed.

The only reason that the land was wide open was because the Europeans had bigger guns and better diseases. In a clash of civilizations the Europeans took the land that the Natives lived on, the natives fought back, some agreements were made, some agreements were broken, and the side with the poorer technology and organisation lost.

So, I'm sorry but it's not crap, and I think you're pretty damn ignorant to think it so.

[james_nix]

So how do you explain all of the treaties that were signed (and broken) with the native Americans? Kind of negates your assertion.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Sorry but they were not a sovereign nation

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroqu...is_Confederacy

Also, if they weren't a sovereign nation, then that's because they weren't recognized as such by the Europeans.

If aliens invaded, they might have every right to do so according to you, if they didn't recognize us as a sovereign nation.

[MH]

I hope he stands firm to not allowing a Palestinian state as well, that was always the most ridiculous idea anyways.That land is Israel, the end.Multiple wars have been fought of the years and Israel has endured, overcome, and earned the right to exist. Everyone does not get a trophy, the end.

You are mixing here two different subjects while spicing it with third one...are you for one state solution then?
You do realize that part of this land you talking about is Palestinian Autonomy now and is also populated by many... many Arabs and yes I agree ...Arabs can be their own worst enemies.
Bibi is right on one thing ...if Palestinians get their statehood now west bank will turn into another hamastan.

Any way...for Palestinian having their own totaly independent state at current ME situation is out of question yet the road to it must be kept open.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The only reason that the land was wide open was because the Europeans had bigger guns and better diseases. In a clash of civilizations the Europeans took the land that the Natives lived on, the natives fought back, some agreements were made, some agreements were broken, and the side with the poorer technology and organisation lost.

In a clash of civilizations, better organization takes all, I guess. That gets the Romans off the hook for the Jewish Diaspora which is part of how we got here in the first place. History, a never-ending war game. I'll go get my dice.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroqu...is_Confederacy

Also, if they weren't a sovereign nation, then that's because they weren't recognized as such by the Europeans.

If aliens invaded, they might have every right to do so according to you, if they didn't recognize us as a sovereign nation.

And before we judge of them too harshly we must remember what ruthless and utter destruction our own species has wrought, not only upon animals, such as the vanished bison and the dodo, but upon its inferior races. The Tasmanians, in spite of their human likeness, were entirely swept out of existence in a war of extermination waged by European immigrants, in the space of fifty years. Are we such apostles of mercy as to complain if the Martians warred in the same spirit?

https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/warworlds/b1c1.html

Originally Posted by Torplexed

In a clash of civilizations, better organization takes all, I guess. That gets the Romans off the hook for the Jewish Diaspora which is part of how we got here in the first place. History, a never-ending war game. I'll go get my dice.

Avalon Hill, good choice my man, now who will play as the Romans?

[MH]

[corporalspiffy]

there is a moral dimension to reality.

roman virtue was the strength of their enterprise and gave them victory over "savage" tribes.

those whose uphold ideals of justice, decency, devotion, humility and stability will always defeat those who are degenerated with senseless bloodlust and practice pagan tribal mumbo jumbo voodoo rituals.

if israel upholds biblical morality she will prosper if not she will fall.

this holds true for every nation and every individual.

if historically one people gained power over another it is because a moral judgment was made and if those people generations later fall then in that case a moral judgement was made.

LIVING THE ARMY VALUES: Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage

[Tchocky]

Biblical morality.


New or Old testament?

[MH]

Originally Posted by corporalspiffy

there is a moral dimension to reality.

roman virtue was the strength of their enterprise and gave them victory over "savage" tribes.

those whose uphold ideals of justice, decency, devotion, humility and stability will always defeat those who are degenerated with senseless bloodlust and practice pagan tribal mumbo jumbo voodoo rituals.

if israel upholds biblical morality she will prosper if not she will fall.

this holds true for every nation and every individual.

if historically one people gained power over another it is because a moral judgment was made and if those people generations later fall then in that case a moral judgement was made.

LIVING THE ARMY VALUES: Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage

You missed the part about war to end all wars , Jews converting to Christianity and then living happily in the kingdom of god.