Jane Fonda: ‘Hanoi Jane’ Moment Was A ‘Huge Mistake’

[Mr Quatro]

This is the first time I have heard her say she made a mistake.

Probably a spur of the moment true confession blurted out of her mouth due to the protest by veterans outside the meeting place.

It was reported several years ago that Jane Fonda had been converted to Christianity by her chauffer while she was still married to the founder of CNN, who by the way is still mad at God for his sister dying of lupus years ago.

So if she has confessed it and changed her mind we should forgive also and move on.

However this last line in Neal's link reads like this:

Fonda focused most of her talk on gender politics and encouraged the crowd to not raise boys to become “emotionally illiterate” by emphasizing masculinity.

Now she wants us to raise our boys to be gay boys ... spells war!

[VipertheSniper]

I have to ask, because it could be either way: Are you serious about that last point? Because that's a non-sequitur, or you were just being sarcastic.

[Mr Quatro]

I thought she was being serious so I was being serious about raising my boy anyway I want to, but not a sissy.

Did I read it wrong?

[U-15]

Don't think Jane Fonda has heard of The Sacred Band of Thebes, who were all male lovers within the same unit, and were well known for their ferocity in battle

[Betonov]

I think she meant raising children to hold everything inside them which ferments over the years and finally blows open with alcohol abuse and/or violence.

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I think she meant raising children to hold everything inside them which ferments over the years and finally blows open with alcohol abuse and/or violence.

That's how I read it too... maybe not quite as drastic, but yeah...

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by U-15

Don't think Jane Fonda has heard of The Sacred Band of Thebes, who were all male lovers within the same unit, and were well known for their ferocity in battle

Hey, I love the Sacred Band of Thebes

Not that they were unique with the male lovers bit. Pederastic relationships were a major part of Spartan training.

[vanjast]

You pro-USA-War people seem to forget.. that every war you've started.. you've lost, at a high price. Some people were brave enough to know this and protested... coz your politicians, then and as today, are leading you down the road to destruction and massive loss of life... under the pretext of patriotism. So when are you going to stand up and be counted.. or are you going to be a lemming and run blindly into another lost battle - there are other ways to 'skin a cat'.

[Jimbuna]

Didn't America win the war of independance?

[Catfish]

I did not quite understand then, what the US were doing or wanting in Vietnam. But at least there was no public information possible, like nowadays. But to defend this today ?

"If he's dead he was a viet cong."

" .. before i came to Saigon, i had heard and read, that Napalm melts flesh, and i thought this was bs, because when i shove a roast into the oven the fat melts, but the flesh stays.
I went over and saw children burnt by napalm, and it was just true. The chemical reaction melts the flesh and it flows down their face on the chest, and there it stays and keeps growing.
those children could not move their head [...] and when inflammation set in, they cut off their hands, or the feet. The only thing they could not cut off, was their head ..."

Not to speak of the deformation still taking place with newly born, due to genetically active agent orange and other nice stuff.

If the military had had their way, we would never have heard of My Lai, according to them this massacre was a "military success".
The people who researched this and made it public, were simple soldiers, photographers and an investigative journalist. The soldier who spoke first of it was called a traitor, a dirty swine, a Hanoi agent [sic!], a communist, a jew, and a disgrace for society, by most of the US media, and the military. Are we there again, or still?

If Mrs Fonda regrets what she thought or said against the Vietnam war at the time (and b.t.w. the link does not look like it), she'd be probably suffering from dementia.

[Bilge_Rat]

I dont think the issue was protesting the war, that was very widespread in '72, you often had anti-war rallies with hundred of thousands participating.

The issue was visiting North Vietnam in time of war, that was pretty much over the top, not to mention this picture:

[Catfish]

^

I see, i did not know that. I just thought she protested against the whole war, not just for the other side.

Will have to get some more information on that. Sorry

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I dont think the issue was protesting the war, that was very widespread in '72, you often had anti-war rallies with hundred of thousands participating.

The issue was visiting North Vietnam in time of war, that was pretty much over the top, not to mention this picture:

I see Jane Fonda crewing an anti aircraft gun in participation with enemy combatants

[Jeff-Groves]

To A huge Star with a lot of Money?
It's always a 'mistake' that we should pat them on the back for and say 'there there' all is forgiven.
I vote to burn the Wench every chance we get!

[MH]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I did not quite understand then, what the US were doing or wanting in Vietnam. But at least there was no public information possible, like nowadays. But to defend this today ?.

USA was fighting communism and communist insurgency as global policy.
It made sense at that time.
Problem was that this war dragged on for too long and due to geopolitical circumstances decisive victory turned out to be impossible.
America rightly left Vietnam due to pressure at home and generally horrifying nature of the war that could not be won.
Eventually it turned out the communism did not took over the world ( portably it never could ) while the conflicts continued elsewhere.

At the end what happened after N. Vietnamese took over?
Millions executed , disappeared.

While criticizing American policy during cold war , interesting question is what would happen if USA had been passive during whole cold war.
How world would look today , if lives would had been saved or worth living.
Shortly would world be better place.?
...not that im against criticism . I don't like the trendy ones.