The benefits of Islam - Good ole US Education

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

We now look towards that other side of the coin and reveal what isn't taught: 1,400 year history of Jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural genocide and enslavement.
I'm sure there is more.

European colonization and scramble for Africa, Ghengis Khan, Trail of tears and the US westward expansion, the thirty years war in Europe, all the invasions of Scotland, Shaka Zulu forcefully uniting the Zulu tribes, Conquistadors, Atlantic slave trade, Austrian annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Chinese civil war, Japan in WWII, Napoleonic wars, Hindu rebellion in British India...

1,400 year history of wars, land appropriations, cultural genocide and enslavement.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

1,400 year history of Jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural genocide and enslavement.
I'm sure there is more.

Wait are we talking about the Middle East, Europe, or America? I'm confused

Last I checked that statement would work for all three (including Jihadi wars if you use what the it means).

[Catfish]

"260 million cluster bombs" or "two million tons of ordnance"
Was there ever a war declared ?

Speaking of Laos:
http://legaciesofwar.org/about-laos/secret-war-laos/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-mi..._b_558370.html

You say IS would also do it if they had the bombs ? Be sure ..
But then they do not exactly claim to be a free peaceful democracy.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

There are?


"How did Muslim conquerors treat those they conquered?" A homework assignment obtained by MyFoxDC.com showed the correct answer was, “With tolerance, kindness and respect."

Yea...the point being after how they brutally conquered...and of course even then it's very subjective to what period and then what rules were applied to those that didn't follow Islam...

Course, Christianity was much the same, but thankfully has grown out of the dark ages.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Betonov

European colonization and scramble for Africa, Ghengis Khan, Trail of tears and the US westward expansion, the thirty years war in Europe, all the invasions of Scotland, Shaka Zulu forcefully uniting the Zulu tribes, Conquistadors, Atlantic slave trade, Austrian annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Chinese civil war, Japan in WWII, Napoleonic wars, Hindu rebellion in British India...

1,400 year history of wars, land appropriations, cultural genocide and enslavement.

We have been at inquisition and slave trade and witch hunting. We left it behind. Parts of the Muslim world still practice it until today.

Our forefathers committed these crimes in violation of the teachings of Jesus, and humanistic ideals. Islam does its barbary not in violation of Muhammad's will, but by order of Muhammad. Heck, we had the unfolding of a humanistic tradition, Islam has no pendant to that.

Your self-victimization of our culture simply does not work the way you intend to achieve. But endlessly relativising things until no standards and scales exist anymore in the sign of modenr times, it seems.

BTW, the French did not go to the Northafrican slave rtzaders and orderd shiploads of slaves - the slave barons offered the idea to the French as a business model, since they had run it since always. Genghis Khan and Shaka Zulu are nothing to hold the Europeans responsible for. Pol Pot and China we also refuse to accept responsibility for, as a Western civilization. Hitler and Stalin did not act on behalf of Jesus' teachings, but in violation of it.

The monumental difference in what Jesus wanted people to do, and what Muhammad wanted people to do, cannot be repeated often enough, and cannot be overestimated at all. It makes all the difference between the Koran and Sunna, and the Glad Tidings. They do not compare. And that is why the Western world - influenced tremendously by Christian tradition -, and the Islamic world, do not compare as well. We have moved on a bit. They got stuck some thousand years ago.

That has consequences: thats why they buy technology, know-how, medicine and clever scientific gadgets from us and Asia, and not the other way around. And thats why us, Jews and Asians get the Nobel prizes, but not them.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Catfish

"260 million cluster bombs" or "two million tons of ordnance"
Was there ever a war declared ?

Speaking of Laos:
http://legaciesofwar.org/about-laos/secret-war-laos/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-mi..._b_558370.html

You say IS would also do it if they had the bombs ? Be sure ..
But then they do not exactly claim to be a free peaceful democracy.

To be fair there is plenty of Soviet/Chicom unexploded ordnance in Laos. It may not have been a declared war but there where pro western bloc and pro eastern bloc Laoitan parties fighting each other. Oh let me guess a Chinese B40 rocket grows into lotus if it is a dud.

Got to love onesided stories.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Chinese B40 rocket grows into lotus if it is a dud.

Got to love onesided stories.

I think it grows into political power...

Or at least that's what Mao said...

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That has consequences: thats why they buy technology, know-how, medicine and clever scientific gadgets from us and Asia, and not the other way around. And thats why us, Jews and Asians get the Nobel prizes, but not them.

What are you, googleitupophobe ????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...obel_laureates


And what do you mean ''And thats why us...'', you're so far away from a Nobel prize like I am from winning every gold medal in the next olympics.
WE or US don't receive Nobel prizes,HE or SHE, individual scientists, doctors, writers etc. and their respective teams receive Nobel prizes.
So don't count that your paranoid, uneducated, untraveled, unresponsive, inflexible and incapable of a decent pun (reasonophobe) mind has anything remotely to do with Nobel prizes.

Individuals win medals, earn prizes, cut heads and blow themselves up.

Unless some of you think it's still faschism or communism out there, they tended to group individuals into one entities.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Where on earth have you been?
Read the bloody news, all that crap still goes on in the "christian" west

No, we have completely changed !

See, we have "recycling parks" for scrapyards, and a "defence minister" instead of a war minister, workers are not fired but "set free", soldiers dieing are "casualties", maimed and PTSD-suffering are "heroic" "veterans" and "patriots", dead civilians are "collateral damage" etc.
All is so neat and sweet and humane, Orwell's newspeak is everywhere.

And now listen to Fox Newspeak (or insert any media), and obey !

[Rockstar]

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Hell, he's got my vote. All politicians are Decepticons when you think about it.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Catfish

No, we have completely changed !

See, we have "recycling parks" for scrapyards, and a "defence minister" instead of a war minister, workers are not fired but "set free", soldiers dieing are "casualties", maimed and PTSD-suffering are "heroic" "veterans" and "patriots", dead civilians are "collateral damage" etc.
All is so neat and sweet and humane, Orwell's newspeak is everywhere.

And now listen to Fox Newspeak (or insert any media), and obey !

At least you can complain or conspire just about anything without getting beheaded.
You also live in a country that requires special skills to totally screw up your life or get abused by the government.

What are you, googleitupophobe ????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...obel_laureates


And what do you mean ''And thats why us...'', you're so far away from a Nobel prize like I am from winning every gold medal in the next olympics.
WE or US don't receive Nobel prizes,HE or SHE, individual scientists, doctors, writers etc. and their respective teams receive Nobel prizes.
So don't count that your paranoid, uneducated, untraveled, unresponsive, inflexible and incapable of a decent pun (reasonophobe) mind has anything remotely to do with Nobel prizes.

Individuals win medals, earn prizes, cut heads and blow themselves up.

Unless some of you think it's still faschism or communism out there, they tended to group individuals into one entities.

Really?
I can somewhat understand your urge to oppose Skybird on anything he writes.
Sometimes im not sure if he is serious or simply fooling around with people on this forum yet you response is totally incorrect or even pathetic wishfool thinking.
The social / cultural mindset has very great effect on scientific achievements.
People need to be given the right environment to reach their potential on certain subjects.
This is a issue very much dealt with in the west on every day basis.
Rethink the page you have posted from the wiki im not sure it is good example.

[Catfish]

Did you even read Orwell's 1984 ?


OT the word googleitupophobe is hilarious

[MH]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Did you even read Orwell's 1984 ?

No I skipped it for certain reason.
Actually I get uneasy felling in my stomach when people refer to 1984.
Not that referring to this book is unjustified...it seemly depends on who does it and in what context.
There tons of books that address those issues in million different ways.


.....but I have seen the movie.

And now listen to Fox Newspeak (or insert any media), and obey !

....or not.

Maybe you watch too much fox news?

Not that fox news may not be correct on some issues....they simply don't know why.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MH

..
Maybe you watch too much fox news?

No, but the problem is that after 70 years of reeducation and NATO membership it seems, our media are not far away from Fox quality, and bias. Anchormen and women of the national puvlic TV are members of the Transatlantikbruecke .. you will never hear anything good about Russsia, or bad about America.

It is somehow like you make a nuclear power company the controller of its sites, and then expect reports that have anything to do with reality

Not that fox news may not be correct on some issues....they simply don't know why.

That is definitely a good one